A Post In Which I Respond To The Hypotheticals Posed By Democrats At Last Night’s Debate

Ken McCracken • June 30, 2007

Quotes via Mr. Mortman.
First up, Hillary Clinton:

Hillary Clinton: “If HIV/AIDS were the leading cause of death of white women between the ages of 25 and 34, there would be an outraged outcry in this country.”

And if black women in Africa between the ages of 25 and 34 would stop using intravenous drugs and having promiscuous sex there wouldn’t be an HIV/AIDS problem there.
Next up, Dennis Kucinich:

Dennis Kucinich: “if Darfur had a large supply of oil, this administration would be occupying it right now.”

And if Dennis Kucinich were smart he’d recognize that Iraq was every but the human rights crisis Darfur is. Why choose one over the other? How can you support intervening to save the people of Darfur but not intervening to save the people of Iraq?
Finally, Mike Gravel:

Mike Gravel: “If we weren’t squandering our treasure on this terrible war that we didn’t have to start, we would have 4 million housing units available, and a good portion of them could go to Katrina residents.”

When did we nationalize the home building industry?
I wonder, are Democrats really this dumb or do they just think their liberal base is really dumb?

Tags: Asshats, Domestic Issues, Politics, The Loony Left

http://Array robert108

Man: So, a disease that is almost exclusively spread by sexual activity(mostly involving homosexual men, but in Africa, also involving heterosexual men and women) is the fault of the Catholic Church? Even for a leftie, this is faulty logic. Unless you think that Africans are non-thinking robots who have no minds of their own(a typical leftie assumption about the “poor and downtrodden”), your conclusion is ridiculous.
People are responsible for the consequences of their behavior.
http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

And if black women in Africa between the ages of 25 and 34 would stop using intravenous drugs and having promiscuous sex there wouldn’t be an HIV/AIDS problem there.

This comment is short-sighted for one as open minded as you (normally) are.
Most African women are married off as soon as they hit puberty and by the time they get to the age of 25, have several children to look after and a household to run. The spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa can more closely be attributed to promiscuous and adulterous men (and the Catholic church for vetoing the use of contraceptives) sleeping with prostitutes.

Dennis Kucinich needs to do some research however, because Sudan does have large untapped oil reserves.
Neiman

ManofFireandLight said: “I have not â€˜blamed’ anyone for this vile disease, nor said it was anybody’s fault, but I do think the Church (Catholic or otherwise) has a lot to address on this issue, especially if they do not condone the use of prophylactics.”

Are you saying the the Roman Catholic Church should change their two millennia of Biblical teachings about sex because people engage in sexual relations outside the bonds of marriage? Are you suggesting that the Bible can and should be changed by men to now say that God tolerates that which His Holy Word condemns? After all they teach abstinence outside marriage and if that commandment was obeyed AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases would not infect their bodies.

What kind of message would the Church teach if in the same breath they condemned sexual relations outside the bonds of marriage and said but if you do, be sure and wrap your penis in latex?
http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

r108, you project.

People in a Catholic African country often will not seek contraceptives especially if they are told that they are morally wrong, even if they are willing to commit the other wrong of adultery.
I have not ‘blamed’ anyone for this vile disease, nor said it was anybody’s fault, but I do think the Church (Catholic or otherwise) has a lot to address on this issue, especially if they do not condone the use of prophylactics.

Getting satisfactory sexual health facilities and education to people in a first world country is difficult enough, it must be incredibly difficult in a third world country.
What is ridiculous, is that you are applying your first world educated philosophy to people who often have little or no schooling.

Do you all agree with Rob, that the women are at fault?
docdave

Nice to see that the Dems candidates are doing what Dems do best – presenting fabrications as fact.
robert108

People in a Catholic African country often will not seek contraceptives especially if they are told that they are morally wrong, even if they are
willing to commit the other wrong of adultery. So, telling them that contraceptives are morally wrong is effective, but telling them that promiscuity and adultery is morally wrong is ineffective? Double standard, isn’t it?
I have not ‘blamed’ anyone for this vile disease, nor said it was anybody’s fault, but I do think the Church (Catholic or otherwise) has a lot to address on this issue, especially if they do not condone the use of prophylactics. They don’t condone promiscuity and adultery, either. Shouldn’t they get credit for that, as well as blame for not following your standard?

Getting satisfactory sexual health facilities and education to people in a first world country is difficult enough, it must be incredibly difficult in
a third world country. Abstinence works, no matter what your “sexual health facilities” are, or what your educational level is.
What is ridiculous, is that you are applying your first world educated philosophy to people who often have little or no schooling. I guess I should just be ignorant then. That would work.

Do you all agree with Rob, that the women are at fault? What part of “People are responsible for their own behavior.” don’t you understand?
skh.pcola

Heh. My code to post is “only69.” Heh.

So “encourage” = “doing something?” Man, I need to get me some lefty logic. Must be one of those “feelings” things, where how somebody feels is more important than what they do.
http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

Whistler, I am not biased against Catholicism, but am biased against all organised religion.

What kind of message would the Church teach if in the same breath they condemned sexual relations outside the bonds of marriage and said but if you do, be sure and wrap your penis in latex?

I agree that this is a contentious issue, but if the Church were to condone the use of contraceptives as a form of birth control inside marriage, then a lot of unnecessary suffering could be averted.
http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

The spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa can more closely be attributed to promiscuous and adulterous men (and the Catholic church for vetoing the use of contraceptives)…

What? How are you going to blame the Catholic Church?

The above quote shows how I blame the Catholic Church. Although they aren’t the only Church that prohibits the use of contraceptives, they do have a large foothold in Africa and could, if they felt inclined to, encourage the practicing of safer sex.
http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

That should have read…

…whilst not accepting that the Catholic Church has a role to play in (undermining) the War on HIV/AIDS.
robert108

…the Catholic Church has a role to play in the War on HIV/AIDS.

Man, would you agree that if people generally followed the teachings of the Catholic Church regarding promiscuity and adultery(not to mention homosexual sex), that the AIDS epidemic would never have happened? Why only condemn the teaching that goes against your personal ideology(promoting condom use), and ignore the benefit of a greater teaching that would render condom use irrelevant?
http://manoffireandlight.blog.co.uk/ ManofFireandLight

Neiman, is it acceptable to blame Democrats (and the left) for undermining the War on Terrorism, whilst not accepting that the Catholic Church has a role to play in the War on HIV/AIDS.

The ideation that leads to condemnation of the political left is not dissimilar to that which condemns organised religion.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

The spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa can more closely be attributed to promiscuous and adulterous men (and the Catholic church for vetoing the use of contraceptives)…

What? How are you going to blame the Catholic Church?

Criticize their charitable methods, but don’t blame them for the problems.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

…they do have a large foothold in Africa and could, if they felt inclined to, encourage the practicing of safer sex.

You’re still blaming them for nothing.

They do encourage the practicing of “safer sex”. They encourage monogamy.
robert108

I agree that this is a contentious issue, but if the Church were to condone the use of contraceptives as a form of birth control inside marriage, then a lot of unnecessary suffering could be averted.

Without an explanation of what you mean by “unnecessary suffering”, it is difficult to address that issue, but the Church teaching covers all the bases. If you don’t want to conceive, don’t have sex. It’s not the teaching that’s flawed, it’s the humans involved. Don’t get confused in your zeal to blame the Church for something that is the fault of individual actions.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

Flamers anti-catholic bias is showing.

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