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Friday, November 03, 2006


A Failure For Gaydar

Ted Haggard, an evangelical religious leader, has been in the news a lot lately because of some controversy involving a male escort.  I don’t know anything about Haggard (except that he made an appearance in Jesus Camp, a documentary I got a review copy of a while back), nor do I really care much about him or his gay sex escapades.

I’m just wondering how anyone could have been around this guy and not known he was gay:

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Seriously.  It’s pretty obvious to me.

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So another anti-gay conservative is outted; no surpise there. Any guess on who might be next? My money is on Rick Santorum.

Chad on November 3, 2006 at 06:22 am
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If this were a gay liberal you’d be applauding his courage.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 3, 2006 at 06:37 am
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If this were a gay liberal he wouldn’t be hiding.

Chad on November 3, 2006 at 06:39 am
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Tell that to Gerry Studds.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 3, 2006 at 06:50 am
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During the course of the House Ethics Committee’s investigation, Studds publicly acknowledged his homosexuality, a disclosure that, according to a Washington Post article, “apparently was not news to many of his constituents.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

Not exactly hiding, although a certain amount of descretion was necessary, what with all of the conservative homophobes in this country. At least he wasn’t simultaneously advancing anti-gay causes. Haggard, like many of these in-the-closet conservatives, is the worst kind of hypocryt. The more they hate gays, the gayer they turn out to be. Santorum must be king (or would that be queen?) of the flamers.

Chad on November 3, 2006 at 07:11 am
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God I’ll be glad when this election’s over….

gregdn on November 3, 2006 at 07:12 am

It’s not that his gay; it’s the hypocracy. (e.g. the leader of one of those gay accepting church been gay wouldn’t be much of a deal)

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA&eurl=]
Ted Haggard on Jesus Camp[/url]

anonomisly on November 3, 2006 at 09:11 am

It’s not that his gay; it’s the hypocracy.


Telling one lie or even consistently lying about one subject…doesn’t make you a liar…

robert108 on May 18, 2009 at 03:23 pm

“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our word or our actions at this point.”

Titular gop Head Mr. Steele


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realitybasedbob on November 3, 2006 at 09:19 am
anonomisly on November 3, 2006 at 09:34 am
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Well, I now better understand the Clinton-hating righties’ outrage when BC said ” I smoked (weed) but didn’t inhale” and his famous claim “I did not have sex with that woman”.

Turns out BC did not consider mere oral sex as real sex.  So maybe Ted has his own definition of what he considers sex?

Truth is, most reasonable people do not give a darn much which pleasures consenting adults pursue.

I do feel sorry for Ted’s wife.  She is a nice looking lady and must be suffering horribly.

God grant her the strength to get thru the pain she must be feeling..

One Eyed Jack on November 3, 2006 at 03:30 pm

Trying to conflate this with Clinton’s arrogant, finger wagging on national TV with his submissive wife sitting beside him is laughable.  Clinton violated the public trust and betrayed the integrity of his Office; If Ted did anything here, it was in private; he didn’t lie to the nation about it.  He is maybe guilty of hypocrisy in his personal life.  The guy who “outed” him has an agenda to trash anyone who doesn’t toe the “gay marriage” line.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 3, 2006 at 03:38 pm

That should have been: “...Clinton’s arrogant, finger wagging lie on national TV…”


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 3, 2006 at 03:41 pm
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Many, many evangelical men look like closet cases.  This guy didn’t stand out in that respect.

jpe on November 3, 2006 at 05:24 pm
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Ted Haggard totally seems to be struggling with issues of emasculation. This has been a topic of thought for me for quite awhile. A lot of Christianity seems to be completely fine with emasculated males devoting themselves to God’s work. I don’t have a problem with anyone with problems devoting themselves to God. What I have a problem with is when the problem becomes a desired attribute in a person. For anyone who believes in spiritual problems, even a person with relatively no spiritual understanding can see that Ted had a major spiritual problem. Why did none of his spiritually supercharged friends see this? Or talk to him about it? Religions like Buddhism also emasculate males in a psychological/spiritual sense. But there is generally a difference, religions like Buddhism don’t teach someone to seek power and higher (more knowledge, more wisdom, more money, more control, more power, more perfection, etc) states of being. When you have an emasculated male who hates his own identity seeking power, get ready for a big freaking mess. I think the church likes emasculated males because they are more submissive. This preference prevented anyone from approaching Ted about his obvious struggle with his identity.

To all those people who think Ted would have been better off living as a gay man, tell that to his 5 kids who wouldn’t be here. Telling someone they should never have been born is the same as wishing them dead. So quit being sexuality absolutists.

DBdowner on November 4, 2006 at 05:46 pm
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Ok, I have to say one more thing. Just because someone is emasculated in behavior does not mean they are gay. I had a friend who was raped by two of his uncles from the time he was about 6. His mom didn’t care because she had no morality at all. And she thought his acting like a woman was funny. He was emasculated. He was gay. Ironically, when he found out I didn’t support homosexuality; he asked me why I condemned other people for doing what was part of their nature. For the record, I do not believe sexual molestation in and of itself causes homosexuality. But I said that I believed a lot of males were either physically(molestation) or emotionally emasculated, and as a result, are left lusting after what they long to be. I said that about 30 percent of the population is molested and about 6 percent of the population is gay. I said there was probably a strong correlation between the two. My friend and his gay friend with him both said they had never been molested. I found out later about the two uncles… And the friend that was with him, his dad was in jail for molesting him… So they both lied… And I had to ask myself, why? So next time you make a crack at Clay Aikens, remember and respect his choice not to accept his emasculation. And Ted Haggard doesn’t need to realize he is gay, he needs to deal with his terrible values and possibly something from his past. So flipping leave him and all emasculated males who choose to live as if they are not alone. The crowd in these cases is always chanting jump, jump, jump. As if submission is the answer…

DBdowner on November 4, 2006 at 06:04 pm
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Do you think it’s time for abstinence only education for gay republicans evangelicals and congessmen? /snark/

Puzzlefeet on November 4, 2006 at 06:09 pm
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I admire the way his people handle the whole thing, including giving him their support now that he’s at what probably is the lowest point of his life.

aNONOMISLY on November 5, 2006 at 01:26 pm
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I am so relieved that he took 100 percent of the responsibilty for what happened and urged his former congreation and Christians to not condemn Mike Jones. They did handle it well and Ted has not been a total worm about it. He has put himself right now, and that is a lot more than can be said for other “leaders”. Saying your sorry so let me keep my leadership position is like a serial killer saying they found Jesus so let them out of prison. Serial killers who find Jesus turn down appeals and push for justice: their death.

DBdowner on November 7, 2006 at 08:58 pm
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