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Abortion seems to be a growing popular form of birth control. I wonder how long it will take for this christian nation to come to grip morality behind this rampant massacre.

d.narloch

That’s thousands of unborn children, all killed

Pretty soon we’ll have more deaths than births. I do not envy our census takers when that happens.

Now those are the real baby killers.  Haven’t they heard of birth control?
We are at about 40 million killed since Roe.  Roe would not ban abortions, but leave the penalties for crushing the skull of a baby to the voters of the several states.

Whatever happened to the pill and condoms?

Whatever happened to the pill and condoms?

I expect that those who oppose abortion are strong supporters of the morning-after pill.  That could substantially reduce the number of abortions in NYC.

Dave, how does a condom “kill unborn children”.

Dave, how does a condom “kill unborn children”.

MI wrote:

I expect that those who oppose abortion are strong supporters of the morning-after pill. That could substantially reduce the number of abortions in NYC.

Though, of course, the morning-after pill is just another method--along with abstinence, condoms, and abortion--of preventing “unborn children” from being born. They just kill the “unborn child” at different stages in the journey.

Dave, do you masturbate?

Do you have sex on the days that a woman is infertile?

Yes.

A yes answer to any of the above makes you a child killer.
Your logic was used for the above conclusion.

Wha? When did I say that preventing an “unborn child” from being born (through abortion, condom use, abstinence, etc.) was the same as murder?

embrio (first three months — 1st trimester) can not exist on its own outside a testtube. We know what we are talking about with this abortion issue: the wanton killing of a fetus–that child that can exist apart from the womb.

Just so I’m clear, are you saying that terminating the pregnancy in the first three months, during the embryonic stage, is not murder, and is perfectly acceptable as a legal procedure?

Dave, do you masturbate?
Do you have sex on the days that a woman is infertile?
A yes answer to any of the above makes you a child killer.
Your logic was used for the above conclusion.
A no answer to any of the above makes you a damn LIER.

No.  But that is the supreme court’s default position.  It, however like the 1964 Civil Rights acts have been perverted to include that and more, and quotas, affirmative action, etc.

My personal position is the same as the American Indians, life begins at conception.

Dave, do you masturbate?

Yes.

Do you have sex on the days that a woman is infertile?

Yes.

Damn, going to have to type with one hand in a minute . . .

Dave, do you masturbate?
Do you have sex on the days that a woman is infertile?
A yes answer to any of the above makes you a child killer.
Your logic was used fof the above conclusion.
A no answer to any of the above makes you a damn LIER.

Dave, do you masturbate?
Do you have sex on the days that a woman is infertile?
A yes answer to any of the above makes you a child killer.
Your logic was used for the above conclusion.
A no answer to any of the above makes you a damn LIER.

Ooo, ellinas, keep going, you’re getting me hot . . .

A sperm or egg has only 23 chromosomes, so it is not an unborn child.  In that case, every wet dream or 28 days would be a killing.  An embrio (first three months—1st trimester) can not exist on its own outside a testtube.  We know what we are talking about with this abortion issue:  the wanton killing of a fetus--that child that can exist apart from the womb.  Lets call a spade a spade.  This is murder, the intentional killing of a child.  The worst kind is the “partial-birth” variety where the skull is crushed as the child is coming out the birth canal.  Let us vote on this issue.

modern instances . Both hands on the keyboard plese.

You are spitting hairs Davey.
A child killer and a child murderer are the same.
Now cut the crap.Stop playing with words.

He does kill it; he doesn’t “murder” it, which is what you claimed here.

modern instances: Please keep both hands on keyboard.

spitting hairs

crap.

Oh! Oh! Oh! . . .

ahhhhhhhh

ellinas:

You are spitting hairs Davey.
A child killer and a child murderer are the same.

This just in: Ellinas labels American soldiers “child murderers”!!! Details below the fold!

Well, ellinas? When our soldiers bombed Fallujah, children died. Since, to you, there is no difference between killing a child and murdering a child, doesn’t that make them “child murderers”? Was Truman a “child murderer” for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima?

If we’re to take you seriously, you must be a pacifist, one who believes that it’s impossible to take someone’s life without killing him. Capital punishment is “murder,” self-defense killings are “murder,” and all the way down the line.

modern instances . Both hands on the keyboard plese.

That’s ok, i’m done now.

Where the f**k did you find that at. We are talking about abortion. You will say anything to prove your moronic point.
We were talking about sperm coming out of someones dick.
You can’t be serious and equate our soldiers with dicks?
Are you realy saying our soldiers are dicks?

Ellinas somehow put together this complete statement:

We are talking about abortion.

We were, until you declared that there was no difference between killing a child (as, for example, soldiers often do in war) and murdering a child. That’s a ridiculous statement, and I hope you either justify it or recant it.

However, after reading this ("Are you realy saying our soldiers are dicks?"), I’ve gathered that you aren’t… how can I put this delicately… of the intellectual persuasion?

Don’t feel bad. Hey, just think, in just another hour Bill O’Reilly’s coming on. Let’s see what those child predators have done next! I bet it was something bad…

I meant splitting hairs.

Here you are Davey:"When a man has intercourse with a woman, his sperm comes in contact with her egg, which results in the conception of an “unborn child.” By wearing a condom, the man prevents that “unborn child” from being born–in other words, he kills it.” Your words not mine.

As far as abortion is concerned there is no dIfference.

That distinction should be voted by state legislatures per our constitution. 
It doesn’t make sense that a woman would “kill” a baby by having a natural cycle every 28 or so days, nor a man who has a nocturnal emission. 

My point on a “woman’s choice” should be the same as a man’s; Make your choice to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.

It doesn’t make sense that a woman would “kill” a baby by having a natural cycle every 28 or so days, nor a man who has a nocturnal emission.

True, but then again, we’re not talking about killing “babies,” we’re talking about killing ”unborn children.”

Calm down, ellinas, Dave is a master of obfuscation.  One has to approach him tangentially rather than direct to make any progress in an argument.  As an example,

Dave, are you saying that every woman is committing murder if they do not have sex when they are fertile? Re: your statement They still “kill unborn children” refering to condom use.  Abstinence is another form of birth control which result in unfertilized ovum.

Hey, anti-abortion activists, here’s a child for you to adopt:  Court: State can let beaten girl die

I think Dave just likes the attention. He needs to keep his ridiculous arguments going, in order to come on here and have something to do all day. The “fact” of the matter is that women are using abortion as birth control, rather than defending that, because he knows it’s immoral, Dave chooses to bring up totally irrelevant topics, in which most people don’t respond, because they realize getting into an actual debate with an ignorant liberal is a complete waste of time. Suggestion, skip over Dave’s replies.

d.narloch

OK, dave.  I see your definition.  A woman (or man also?) can consipre to exterminate a fetus before when?  Coming out of the vagina?  How far?  If the head is out, and then crushed would that be murder in your definition?  Of course “unborn” have rights, at least as much as “undocumented aliens”.  This issue does hinge on when life begins.  The being has a right to life from conception, in my view, and we should have the right to vote on our convictions, set penalties and carry out those convictions.  That is a democracy.  What we have today or in the past 30+ years is a country run by an “executive” judiciary of 9 people.  We must reverse this perversion of our constitution.

docdave:

Dave, are you saying that every woman is committing murder if they do not have sex when they are fertile?

ellinas--
We agree on five things.  Thanks for your personal and honest comments.  It would be, and is a very difficult decision.  I would not want to have to make that choice and will not try to put myself into that individual, yes, private decision.  Many people also would not want to make that decsion to kill the occupants of an oncoming, speeding vehicle approaching a checkpoint in a war zone.

In the ideal world, people would court, marry, talk about children, then decide.

In our corrupt, sinful world, that is not The Truth.  About one-half of the girls entered the 9th grade with at least one child where I taught.  Unfortunately almost none of them were married, and proud of their accomplishment.  I hope their children grow up free and live.

Courts have said in some states that the partner should be informed of a pregnancy.

I hope you can also agree that killing a baby as it exits the birth canal would and should be considered at least manslaughter.

Abortion is wrong. But in my opinion it is also a matter between the abortionist and their conciense (God?).Otherwords it is a private matter.
You can scream all you want, but you can’t stop it. Abortion and contraception is nothing new.
It has been going on for thousands of years.
Do I condem it? YES. Do I encourage it? NO.
Do I loose sleep over it? NO. Would I do it? WELL THAT’S NONE OF YOUR BUISSINES. THAT IS BETWEEN ME, AND MY GOD. VOICE YOUR DISSAPROVAL, BUT STAY AWAY FROM MY PRIVATE AFFAIRS.

It is a private matter, between the doctor, the mother and the unborn child.

Unfortunately, one of them can’t speak for themselves, so others have to do it.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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