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Doesn’t concealed-carry apply to adults anyway?  Can a 15-year old get a MN permit?  Absent that, any kid can put any weapon in the car without a permit, right?  I don’t see where the cc permit applies to kids.

Regards…

Have no problem with the parking lot exception.  I’m sure that if you think back to our high school days, Josh, there were more than a few times that you or I came to school in the morning with a shotgun or deer rifle in the trunk or behind the seat as were were either going out hunting after school or were out hunting the night before.

Plus, how in the world would they enforce such a rule?  Inspect every car in the parking lot?

Besides, the whole point of banning guns in schools is to prevent gun violence there.  If a kid is bringing a gun to school intendening to do harm with it they could simply stick it in their backpack until the time came to use it.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Besides, the whole point of banning guns in schools is to prevent gun violence there.

Hey terrorists!  You hear this?  Bring on another Beslan type incident.  You can kill hundreds, even thousands with no problem.  We’re just asking for it!  Courtesy of our bleeding heart liberals.

When this happens, and it will happen, make sure to strangle your local feel good liberals who endorse this idiotic policy.  For they will bear a big part of the blame.

Sensible parent has a concealed weapon in his/her car and goes to pick up their kid at school. Parent gets pulled over for rolling through a stopsign or something innocently similar, and the officer somehow happens to notice the gun. Parent would get in a HEAP of trouble if it were that they had brought a weapon into an area where they are forbidden. That’s why they’ve allowed the parking lot provision.

Saint Don always comes to a compelte stop, and doesn’t trust his own ability to safely maintain a weapon. Use your powers of imagination and hypothesize a situation where a perfectly law abiding citizen would get in trouble for bringing a gun near a school due to someone like yourself wanting to make a problem where there is otherwise none. Decide what is sensible for yourself...you’re way too baby-proof to run my world.

Carl:

A SENSIBLE parent is NOT someone who has a loaded gun in plain view in a car with children and then goes rolling past stopsigns.

elaborating on the above: I’d risk it to say that 99.673% of gun owners are completelty competent in their ownership...I don’t think laws should be based on an incompetent few “ruining it for everybody else”.

*Actually Carl I received my NRA newsletter a couple of weeks back and the gun owner competency rate (GOCR) has been adjusted to 99.679% for the 2004 calendar year. The GOCR that you referred to is from 2003, take note. According to the NRA website, that’s the ninth consecutive year that the GOCR has increased.

*Don, what part of Carl’s scenario isn’t sensible? The part about innocently rolling through a stop sign or the part about a parent excercising their 2nd amendment right?? My father and I went hunting hundreds of times as a child and he had guns in plain sight. Those same guns (hand guns included) were often in his vehicle in town as I rode along as well. I didn’t keep track but I am sure he rolled through a stop sign or two along the way and he may have even (gasp) driven slightly over the speed limit ocassionally. He’s a real wild-man.

"Can you imagine a student thinking about shooting up his school knowing that 4 or 5 teachers (which ones, he doesn’t know) have weapons at their disposal and are completely proficient in using them?”

We could call them “desk-marshalls.” I am all for it.

A SENSIBLE parent is NOT someone who has a loaded gun in plain view in a car with children and then goes rolling past stopsigns.

Who said anything about the gun being loaded anyway?

I’d take it a step further and say that weapons should be allowed on campus.  I think that teachers ought to have the ability to apply through the board/principle/administration to conceal a weapon in their classroom.  Can you imagine a student thinking about shooting up his school knowing that 4 or 5 teachers (which ones, he doesn’t know) have weapons at their disposal and are completely proficient in using them?

Talk about reducing school shootings…

This idea, btw, was presented to me by my High School Trig. teacher.

I whole-heartedly disagree.  If you were contemplating going out in a blaze of glory by killing your classmates and teachers, the idea of someone shooting you in the process is much less attractive than shooting as much as you want for 10-15 minutes before police arrive then taking your own life.  Knowing that their “plan” could/would be cut short and not of their own choosing I imagine would deter most school shooters…

Killing armed faculty could make school shootings more attractive.
Student killers are not acting out of reason. Dying seems part of their plans.

The school issue is strictly an emotional one. I believe when the ‘03 law was declared unconstitutional and it reverted to the pre ‘03 law, carry was permitted everywhere and no store owner, pastor or principal could do much about it. They shot themselves in the foot by going to court. BTW a churchgroup started this whole fiasco and I’m waiting for their non-profit status to be yanked as supposedly funds from the church were used to pay legal fees. We’ll see. I carry everywhere including the school parking lot but I do lock-up the pistola when I have to go in. BUT, I could carry and they would never know because it is concealed. My wife doesn’t even know if I’m packing or not. Well she knows I’m packing but I was talking the pistol not the howitzer! HAH!

If you want a good perspective on this whole issue go to http://www.joel-rosenberg.com He has an open thread and was a huge factor in generating support for this bill. A lot of us spent much time and effort calling and e-mailing senators but this guy was a dynamo. I think most of the people who worked on this already had their permits but were not satified to leave it at that. It’s about our rights.
Just like don myers has a right to spew forth stupidity. BTW I must have missed something. Where did don’s girlfriend with the funny handle go?

WOOF said, Killing armed faculty could make school shootings more attractive.
Student killers are not acting out of reason. Dying seems part of their plans.

That’s a good plan WOOF.  Let’s make ourselves as vulnerable as possible.  We wouldn’t want to somehow tempt the bad guys to a duel by merely protecting ourselves.

maxxdog said, I believe when the ‘03 law was declared unconstitutional and it reverted to the pre ‘03 law, carry was permitted everywhere and no store owner, pastor or principal could do much about it.

That’s where I draw the private property lines.  If a shop owner or a church doesn’t want you packing heat in their place of business/worship/whatever, you should respect that on private property grounds.  A government run public school, however, is different for obvious reasons.

I agree likwidshoe. A business or church council should be able to ban guns and they can. The churches don’t want to have to put up signs and they want anywhere they meet to be banned. Like parks and parking lots. The moonbats are emotionally charged over this law and I laugh at the thought of them holding support get togethers and pot lucks to cry on each other’s shoulders. In fact, it tickles the hell out of me!
If I was a badguy I would be looking for those signs on businesses though!

The moonbats are emotionally charged over this law and I laugh at the thought of them holding support get togethers and pot lucks to cry on each other’s shoulders. In fact, it tickles the hell out of me!

It might be funny on one level, but their policies are deadly.  Our children are wide open to attack.  We have figuratively hung a “Welcome!” sign on our schools for terrorists and have loudly proclaimed that are schools are “gun free zones”.  The result may be a tragedy of the likes seen at Beslan, Russia or numerous incidents in Israel before they wised up and armed their teachers and faculty.  It is only a matter of time before something of a death strewn nature takes place.

There is something wrong with a society that has no problem defending a bank’s money truck with deadly force while making laws and proclaiming loudly to the world that there are no good people who can properly defend our children when the need comes.

maxxdog packs! You wouldn’t shoot a guy for completely disagreeing with your political beliefs, wouldja? Seriously though, as much as I know about maxxdog, nothing strikes me against his benefit to carry a concealed weapon. In fact it is proof of the point missed by anti-gun pushers: They complain that you have a gun, you don’t even care whether or not THEY do, but nobody’s actually shooting anybody to begin with! It literally is like they’re stripping themselves of a right you’d think they’d be insistant to have...claiming to be all enlightened and such.

Would get those kids to stand for the pledge.

...also...to ban guns across the board is to tell people that they are mentally subordinate to those that have them…

likwidshoe...if only you could apply that line of thinking with your stance on most other matters of legislature...you’d be leagues ahead. Seriously. Guard the money truck but not the kids? It really doesn’t make sense...and saying that the children need to be guarded in the first place should be seen as just as ridiculous, as it insinuates and conditions a suspicious society that by and large isn’t there. I am against police presence on campus. I think it is an unecessary distraction of what throughout all of history has otherwise been a period of coming to certain basic understandings...a period that doesn’t need to be tarnished by the idea that kids are preparing to enter a world where they are ultimately not even safe from themselves. You can eliminate police presence on campus by allowing the sensible people in society who have electorally proven themselves to be capable of owning a specific weapon, to carry it with them wherever and whenever they want. The collective message would be “the good guys around you got your back at all times” and in all actuality the everyday people who have decided they want to be able to potentially protect will be fully capable of doing so. A gun is not a weapon, until it is used as one. And I don’t believe a gun used in self defense is the same as using a gun as a means of control. And I do believe shooting bottles off a fence would be hella fun, but none of my friends have a gun and I don’t want to get one. Wha? I gotta get back to work…

likwidshoe, I agree with you again but there is little I could do with a pistol against 20 or so terrorists with AKs and explosives although if it were to happen I would try. We don’t protect our kids against the predators we allow to roam the streets (although I would not hesitate to dispatch a dose of SLI on one of them monsters if presented with the situation) Why would we be concerned with terrorist hitting our schools? So many of these moonbats refuse to face the fact we are at war for our existance.
And Carl B. If a person doesn’t threaten my family then I am just a lamb...with a gun and some rights!

I understand the desire of churches and some businesses to want to prohibits weapons on their premises.  However, I’ve mixed emotions about the issue.  The problem, for me, is that the bad guys will ignore the prohibition and the good guys will be defenseless.

Regards…

Hmmm.... well, though I personally find gun ownership to be quite foolish, I do support the 2nd Amendment, and am glad this bill passed.

How does one “innocently” roll through a stop sign? If you’re breaking the law, you’re not innocent. A few weeks ago, my 8-year old daughter couldn’t cross a residential street at a marked crossing, at a 3-way stop, in a school zone, because so many “innocent”, law-abiding citizens kept rolling through the stop signs. Why do they do that? Because of a pervasive attitude that this supposedly minor infraction is not of importance. I suppose when they kill someone, they’ll just hire a good lawyer and plead their innocence then too!

How does one “innocently” roll through a stop sign? If you’re breaking the law, you’re not innocent.

Perhaps Carl meant “accidentally” when he said “innocently”.  I assumed the best of Carl’s intentions, not the worst.  I’m sure he wasn’t advocating the running of stop signs.  Of course, you’ve probably never broken a law whether by accident or on purpose, I’m sure.

To CaptainAbnormal (AKA Don):  Has your trolling brought you traffic yet?  I thought not, but please keep those memorable quotes coming.