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Monday, September 04, 2006

Who Are The Appeasers?

James Joyner at Outside The Beltway links favorably to some video of Senator Elizabeth Dole being asked by Chris Matthews to name Democrats who favor appeasing the terrorists. Joyner apparently thinks this idea of Democrats as appeasers is some sort of a strawman attack, but he couldn't be more wrong.

Democrats do, in fact, favor appeasing the terrorists. Their calls for withdrawal from Iraq are examples of that desire to appease.

An example of a Democrat who believes this way is none other than Jack Murtha himself, who clearly believes that an American withdrawal from Iraq would bring "stability" to that country. The terrorists tell us the same thing. So what else can we view Murtha's calls for withdrawal as other than a call to appease the terrorists? To give them what they want so that the Iraq problem will just go away?

Murtha is not alone in his reasoning, either. He has been made the voice of the Democrats on the Iraq issue. Perhaps some Democrats disagree with Murtha, but to say that Murtha's stance is not representative of the Democrat stance on Iraq in general is just plain foolish.

I cannot begin to describe how disappointed I am in people like Joyner who are dismissive of Sec. Rumsfeld's comments.

Here is the thrust of what Rumsfeld had to say:

  • With the growing lethality and availability of weapons, can we truly afford to believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased?

  • Can we really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?

  • Can we truly afford the luxury of pretending that the threats today are simply “law enforcement” problems, rather than fundamentally different threats, requiring fundamentally different approaches?

  • And can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America — not the enemy — is the real source of the world’s trouble?


Tell me how he is wrong on any of those points. You can't, because he isn't.

Murtha and company think that we can appease the Islamic extremists by minimizing our presence in the middle east. They're wrong, because the Islamofascists will be attacking us regardless of whether or not we're at war in the middle east. Given that reality, does it not make sense that we should fight to change the conditions in the middle east that cause terrorism in addition to working to thwart the plots of terror groups that already exist? Sounds like a reasonable two-pronged approach to me.

As for negotiating a peace with the terrorists, is that not exactly what is happening between Israel and Hezbollah right now? Is the UN not pressuring Israel into a peace arrangement with Hezbollah? And does anyone think that a brokered peace between Hezbollah and Israel is really going to work? Those sort of agreements certainly haven't worked to restrain the terrorists seeking to wipe Israel off the map in the past.

How about Rumsfeld's statement about some believing the war on terror is a law enforcement problem. Is that not something John Kerry campaigned on? It is, and Rumsfeld is right for highlighting that manner of thinking as being foolish.

Finally, what Rumsfeld's assertion that some believe that America - and not the terrorists - are the real problem in the world? That's true as well, and one need look no further than Jack Murtha's assertion that the key to stability in Iraq is America's withdrawal from there to see that Rumsfeld is right.

The threat from Islamic fascism is a serious one, and this next election could very well put some people in power who are not at all serious about fighting against it. I don't think that now is any time to get squeamish about criticizing those people.

Comments

Avatar for Bloodstomper

Appeasers my ass. 

WASHINGTON Sep 3, 2006 (AP)— The federal government has fallen back to prosecuting international terrorists at about the same rate it did before Sept. 11, according to a study based on Justice Department data.

Good job, guys!  So, it’s not a “law enforcement” problem, huh? You’re so lucky to have a fruit like Rumsfeld running things!  The terrorists love him!  Carry on!

Bloodstomper on September 4, 2006 at 11:02 am
Avatar for Bat One

The federal government has fallen back to prosecuting international terrorists at about the same rate it did before Sept. 11, according to a study based on Justice Department data.

Bloodstomper,

In case no one has ever explained this to you in words small enough for you to understand, adults, and those who wish to be taken seriously, offer their readers a citation (such as a URL) when quoting from a “study” as you have done here, so that the readers can judge for themselves the accuracy and authority being cited.  This type of courtesy is expected of both those of us on/in the Right, as well as those of you on the left.

That said, there is another, more serious defect in your comment… a defect indicative of the hopelessly self-delusional adolescence of your thinking.  The whole point of what has been going on for the past five years is to KILL terrorists, and to do so over there, rather than waiting on them to come here to be arrested, tried and convicted like some common shoplifter, crack dealer, or Democrat fund raiser

I know that those of you on the left often have trouble with even modest concepts, so this may present you with some difficulty.  But this is war… not some “Law and Order” re-run.  If you can manage to remember that fact, it will save you the embarassment of posting idiotic comments like the one above.

Bat One on September 4, 2006 at 12:13 pm

Yeah, we really screwed up when we didn’t “prosecute” those Japanese carrier pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41.  That’s the ticket!


If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

robert108 on September 4, 2006 at 12:35 pm
Avatar for Chief RZ

Donald Rumsfeld is probably one of the most intellectual, adult, stable, moral people in our federal government in the last fifty years.  He says what he means and means what he says, unline the double-talk, news-speak during the social-democratic administrations.  Just take a look at one of their products-- Ramsey Clark !!!  not to mention McNamera who comes out some decades later and says he was wrong!!  No thank you.  Repbulicans every time--you get The Truth.

Chief RZ on September 4, 2006 at 02:36 pm
Avatar for semtex

chief rz-thanks for the satire.
addressing rumsfeld’s four points;
point 1)..about availability and lethality of weaponry precludes appeasing radicals. fair point, though the lethality availability argument is one of technology more than radicalism and appeasement. would appeasement being a sensible policy in the stone age?
point 2)...about free countries negotiating with terrorists. well the UK and spain and france have all, at one time negotiated with proscribed terrorists groups (IRA, ETA and the corsican nationalists respectively). the spanish and UK have particularly made spectacular progress since the 1980s in delegitimising the ‘armed’ wings of these various groups. contrast with the various ME govts fighting low-level terrorism-egypt, saudi arabia, jordan on occasion, yemen and kuwait on occasion.
each situation with terror is unique and requires different strategies, since each instance of terror has unique origins. what will work against thai separatists will not work against iraqi ‘dead-enders’.
point 3)...about ‘law-enforcement’ solutions. the UK’s metropolitan police and MI5 would disagree, but what do they know. by the UK’s tally, and rumsfeldian logic pakistan should now be subject to ‘shock and awe’. are the brits appeasers? col. john boyd would argue against the folly of using 3rd generation warfare doctrines against 4th generation warfare opponents. this conflict will be necessarily intelligence led, not brigade, battalion and divisional maneuvers. sometimes we’ll get it right sometimes not. like that IRA statement authored by P O’Neill following the brighton bombing of thatcher’s govt in which the author noted sardonically that ‘you have to get lucky everytime, we have to get lucky once’.
rumsfels is right about one thing. we need a fundamental reassessment of the atrategies. he says that whilst saying that force is the only way.

semtex on September 5, 2006 at 05:42 am
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