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Oh gee, we have guys that are almost as tough and brave as the jihadists!

Too bad they are fighting for the wrong side, eh Brian?

What a dolt.

Regards…

Rob,

After a full treatment regimen by Doctor Tar and Professor Feather.

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Rodney Graves

Another idiotic liberal equivalence.  They, the liberals are never satisfied unless can make some irrational and illogical equivalence that makes us look as bad as the Islamic terrorits.  It’s like Tom Delay said is this HotAir video The Democrats ar stuck on a ‘can’t we all get along’ worldview.  C

Maybe the difference is that while our elite forces are indeed willing to give their lives in combat, fighting to defend their country and our freedoms, they are not willing to indiscriminately slaughter men, women and children by means of cowardly attacks on non-military targets.
To compare the jihadists to our “first responders”, who attack no one, but are willing to put their lives at risk in order to save lives, is idiocy without equal. Talk about “stuck on stupid”!

What’s wrong with the statement, exactly? Both sides are willing to die for their respective causes--is there anyone who disagrees with that? The only difference is that our cause is just.

Dave: I know there is no way you could possibly know this, but our Special Forces always intend to return from their mission.  They are not suicidal.

Proofreader Emeritus,

More like stuck on ethical cretinism and moral midgetry.  What a sorry sack of excrement.

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Rodney Graves

To expand on robert’s point, our special forces troops also don’t target civilians with suicide attacks.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

And not alone, I see.

Sheesh.

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Rodney Graves

But they do both risk their lives in pursuit of their causes.

Rob,

Our Armed Forces in general, and the Special Operations folks in particular, do not target civilians period.  Do some civilians get killed anyhow?  Yep.  Our forces have the best ratio of enemy combatants killed per civilian killed or wounded of any force in the world engaged in active combat, bar none.  The Israeli’s are not far behind.

Hizbulloh and their press felow travelers are only lying when their lips are moving, the keys clacking, and the shutter’s clicking.

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Rodney Graves

Rodney:  By the tone of your post it is obvious how much you relish war.  I guess I don’t get it.  It sickens me.

Risking your life is not equivalent to suicide.

The other misleading word being used here is “cause”.  Our guys don’t fight for a cause.  They fight for their own country, where they have freedom to choose.  In other words, they are fight for themselves and their families. The jihadis are truly fighting for a cause, which does not serve their self-interest.  Big difference.

KtF,

If you are very lucky indeed you will never have to learn from bitter experience that there are indeed worse things than war.

Live Free or Die.

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Rodney Graves

The only difference is that our cause is just.

Wrong!  The sole major difference, the only one that matters, is the constraints we willing impose on ourselves and our warriors.

There is an enormous difference between those who target civilians, even their own, with indiscriminate abandon, and those who go out of their way to try and avoid innocent deaths.

Rob, are you back to your Strange Brew gravitar, or is that a glitch having to do with caching the gravitars?  That is from Strange Brew, right?

As far as I know, all the Hez rockets are directed at civilian targets.  They are not being used against the Israeli military.  If that isn’t terrorism, what is?

Bat One: What’s your point? Yeah, there are other differences too: Our soldiers have received more education than their terrorists; our soldiers have shorter hair and different diets. And, yes, they intentionally target civilians. But Brian Williams wasn’t talking about how we are different from them; he was talking about how we are the same.

Dave,

You may indeed be the same.

I, my fellow veterans, and those currently serving have noting in common with the terrorists beyond basic biology.

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Rodney Graves

Dave,

My point is to demonstrate that what you said,

The only difference is that our cause is just.

is wrong!

Electnixon, I went back to Strange Brew after Kermit the Frog called me fat.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

But Brian Williams wasn’t talking about how we are different from them; he was talking about how we are the same.

There is NO similarity.  One WISHES to die, the other wishes to LIVE.  One fights for himeself, the other fights for a bankrupt ideology.  One fights for freedom, the other for slavery.  Name one thing that they are similar in in Brian Williams’ rant?  There is NOTHING similar and that is the entire point!

Sometimes I have to think you are playing stupid just to get on peoples nerves…

What was Williams responding to?

“and yet, after having gotten to know us, they want to kill themselves to hurt us. Isn’t that an even deeper conundrum here than the chemicals being used in these attacks.”

“BRIAN WILLIAMS: And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one’s own life. I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. They’re called Army Rangers and Navy Seals and the Special Forces folks and the first responders on 9/11”

Now he was referring SPECIFICALLY to people who kill themselves to hurt us.  And Dumbfuck Leftist Williams says we have “guys on our team like that”.  He’s an idiot.  And Dave shares his affliction. 

Who went into those buildings knowing, by the way, they weren’t going to come out. So we have players like that on our team.

They KNEW?!  Did he read their minds!?  NO!  He did nothing of the sort! I’ll bet EVERY SINGLE first responder that tried to save people on 9/11 WANTED to survive the ordeal. 

How thick can you be?  Is it intentional?  Probably.

It was once said of the Rangers that it’s their job to get the other poor bastard to give up his life for his county...this sounds like someone whose intention it is to live through his conflict, not kill himself on purpose to...this “live to fight another day” mentality permeates those who are willing to, key word here, RISK their lives so others may live...not GIVE their lives so other may die...but then again I could be wrong...but I don’t think so.

EXCELLENT observation, ram.

Ram: I don’t think you can apply that line of thinking to the firefighters on 9/11. They knew they were going to die.

Dave has read their mind. He KNOWS!

I guess it’s possible they thought they were super-heroes, or that God Himself would personally intervene (or Spiderman, though since the film hadn’t been released yet that seems unlikely). Good catch, psychic.

Btw, how do you know that all suicide bombers want to die? Perhaps they’re all just hoping their bombs malfunction.

Dave: Just a thought to disturb your little bubble of fantasy: Those firefighters went up in the Towers to rescue people!  That means they intended to not only return themselves, but intended to bring others with them.  This is the opposite of knowing they were going to die.  Just a few facts.  Firefighters rescue people and put out fires.  They don’t commit suicide as a matter of course, or intentionally.  Big difference.  Another failed equivalence for you.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit this for your examination; we have just entered the Twilight Zone!

“Btw, how do you know that all suicide bombers want to die? Perhaps they’re all just hoping their bombs malfunction.”

Dave on August 13, 2006 at 3:05 AM

Damn! You got me again, rob108!!!

Just tell me this, O Holy One: How, despite no formal education, did you get so clever? It wasn’t in that semester of Tech School, was it? Just tidbits you’ve picked up from your friends down at the ol’ potato plant?

Dave: Sorry I ruffled your feathers, but that’s what you get when you put out something so ridiculous on a blog called “Say Anything”.  I have lots of both formal and practical(real world) education, both theoretical and applied, including several kinds of tech schools as well as my time in academe, and have never been near a “potato plant”, except when I have grown them in my garden.

“A communist is one who has read Marx; an anti-communist is one who has understood Marx."-Ronald Reagan
(In reply to a previous attempt to insult my level of knowledge from you)

What’s your argument?

That your assertions are completely false.  Duh.

I guess it’s possible they thought they were super-heroes, or that God Himself would personally intervene (or Spiderman, though since the film hadn’t been released yet that seems unlikely).

OH! So it wasn’t mind reading.  It was just shitty logic. I’ll give the rescue workers a bit more credit - I think they knew there was a risk that they’d die, but they ABSOLUTELY wanted to live to see another day.

Good catch, psychic.

Nothing to it!

Btw, how do you know that all suicide bombers want to die?

They strap bombs to themselves and trigger the explosion.

Perhaps they’re all just hoping their bombs malfunction.

So rescue workers know they’re going to die and THAT is just the same as - “wanting to kill themselves to hurt us”.  Is that what you’re saying?  Witless imbicile.

Gentlemen: We may be overanalyizing this piece of fluff. Ask yourselves, “Was Brian Williams hired because of his keen insight into the human condition, or was it the nice teeth and anchorman hair?”

I was reading some jokes online this morning, and it occured to me, that if you re-read the above exchange, and substitute “blonde” for “Brian Williams”, you will, perhaps, lower your expectations and not mistake his new depths of shallowness for reasoned thought.

Dave...do you have a degree in structural engineering?

Didn’t think so…

I do, and even if I didn’t, the gentlemen who designed the Twin Towers do...and it was their contention upon seeing the tower being hit by those planes that they would not come down...at least that’s what the testified to under oath…and it was not until a exhaustive study was done that we found out the combination of a unique design (a sort of “exoskeleton” instead of the usual steel frame found in most skyscrapers), a budget decision to use a cheaper method of fire proofing the interconnecting steel (believe it or not, steel needs heat protection.  These interconnection beams are not heavy support “I” or “H” beams, but a device constructed of angle iron, steel rod, and capped with a “C: channel, all of a mild steel that has a high degree of ductile and modulus, making then less susceptible to stress fatigue, but more susceptible to heat induced fatigue), and the shear amount of fuel oil that was present, along with all the paper, carpets, furniture, etc, that caused a fire to burn longer and hotter then the original specs had accounted for, that the structures failed.  Oh, and this failure came not from any major point of failure, like a moment of incident along a major support structure, but from a series of small failures that compounded to cause a catastrophic failure.

Now, if folks whose job it is to know if a building is going to come down or not didn’t believe they were, then just how in the Hell did these fire fighters know?  And even if they did know, just how do YOU their intentions were NOT to go in, grab people, and get out before the collapse?  Fire fighters run into burning buildings often with just that mind set.  What good would it do them to go in with the intentions of dieing? It would serve no purpose.

Before you answer, please realize I feel you are a member of one of three schools;
1) The Blame America First crowd
2) The Ultra-Liberal “we are no different then them” trying your best to draw comparisons
3) JATA – “Just Another Trolling A**”, self explanatory

Of course you could be of a fourth group, those just to naïve to know how little they know, but believe they know all there is to know, but I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, unlike what you are giving the rescue workers who lost their lives on 9/11.

Or to take another twist on Proofreader’s thought, I think it was a poor attempt at compliment..."we have guys just as brave and commited as they do...why we are even willing to give our lives for a cause we feel is just"…

It’s sort of a sad day when an inexperience person tries to use a complex skill they are unfamilar with and fails so poorly...case in point: Brian Williams and deep thought...;~)

After reading my second to last post, I came to the conclussion friends don’t let friends type mad...too many typos and missing words...but anyone with a reasonable understanding of the language should be able to get the meaning…