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“Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)"(Bukhari, vol. 1, bk. 9, no. 490)

Ban on women proposed at Ajmer shrine

Regressive or progressive?

Civilized or uncivilized?

Mild, moderate or extreme?

I know of no religion that hasn’t been in some way responsible for killing,or detroying lives in some way. In fact IMHO, I would be willing to say that more people have been killed in the name of God (gods) than for anything else.

Hate to see ya shut yourself in your house but by the standards that you say the Church of Scientology is bad religion (and I agree) then all religions need to take a long look in the mirror.

Last night on my TEEVEE:

Colbert: What are the Ten Commandments?

Westmoreland [R-GA]: You mean all of them?--Um… Don’t murder. Don’t lie. Don’t steal Um… I can’t name them all.

So the co-sponsor of the Ten Commandments bill doesn’t know what he has co-sponsored. Maybe his brain has been undermined by gay marriage. 
The video clip is out there if you really want to see it.
I laughed until I though… hypocrite.

*thought*

He doesn’t have to know them he just has to know that he can get votes by pandering to those that do.

One of the few things Marx was ight about---religion is the opiate of the masses. It makes most people sleepy, stupid, and listless, but it drives a few people into a murderous rage.

I like Anton LaVey’s qoute.

Religion is the oldest lie told at the mother’s knee. It is accepted fact with no proof.

Gene said, Bad religion usually has it’s roots in accumulating Money and/or Power. The love of money is at the root of all sorts of evil. And there’s Lord Acton. Power and corruption.

It’s called lust. I would wager that lust for power has been at the root of the majority of human deaths worldwide.

richard says, In fact IMHO, I would be willing to say that more people have been killed in the name of God (gods) than for anything else.

Yeah right. Try government.

Religion is the oldest lie told at the mother’s knee.

But if the mother believes it, it is not a “lie”.

Don Myers says, One of the few things Marx was ight about---religion is the opiate of the masses. It makes most people sleepy, stupid, and listless, but it drives a few people into a murderous rage.

Hah. And who better to comment on such a thing than someone who buys wholeheartedly into the religion of multiculturalism and liberalism?

Really,...what an asshole thing to say Don.

Lik believing it does make it the truth.....

And how many governments do you know of that do not have some sort of faith woven into it? Even during the crusades arguably the biggest I am gonna kill you because my god is better than yours.

Don: Sorry, but Marx was wrong there, too.  He was just trying to get rid of a competitor for his even bigger opiate: the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Religion(including Marxism) is the politics of spirituality.

richard said, Lik believing it does make it the truth.....

Correct. Wouldn’t argue against that. Put it this way: hundreds of years ago it was commonly accepted that the world was flat (which shows the folly of believing without question the “consensus” of the scientific community, but I digress). Were those who believed that the world was flat “lying”, or were they merely incorrect?

And how many governments do you know of that do not have some sort of faith woven into it? Even during the crusades arguably the biggest I am gonna kill you because my god is better than yours.

Well if you’re going to go that route in looking at things, you’d be correct. I wouldn’t call most governments “religions”, but I can see your point with regards to the faith issue.

likwid: Marxism is a religion, but “free people making free choices” isn’t.  You do the math.

likwid: Marxism is a religion

Oh yeah...that’s right it is. It looks like religion may be the biggest killer of mankind after all.

Marxism - a set of beliefs that require faith. All evidence in the world’s history shows that it just plain does not work and often fails with the deaths of millions, yet some still have faith in it.

“The divine right of kings” - says it all.

Looks like richard is onto something.

likwid: not richard.  Ann Coulter beat me to it.  Marxism also considers not following the ideology to be a form of heresy.  Witness Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Mao’s China, Stalin’s Russia for examples.

OK, You got me.

The hidden motive behind this post was to get the discussion on the Godless Religion of Liberalism.

It’s all tied up in a desire for Money and Power.

Nothing altruistic about it.

Ann Coulter is exactly right and it’s driving the libs crazy.

So, sometimes a scheme works.  This one anyway.

Lik I couldn’t agree with you more when you flip the coin over, there were people that did not believe the world was flat (and we know these people existed) did that make them liars?

Gene I do not think anybody was twisting the post, more like unraveling it. When statements are made about a bad religion, it is only human nature to say all religions have bad sides as do all people, governments and yes even conservative bloggers. To try and make it a liberal thing is IMO twisting it.

So NOW, take the things said in this thread so far and apply it to the godless religion of the left. 

---all religions need to take a long look in the mirror. Yep, particularly the Church of the left.

---religion is the opiate of the masses. It makes most people sleepy, stupid, and listless, but it drives a few people into a murderous rage. (Howard Dean?).  Mostly sleepy and stupid as long as they vote Democratic in the fall.

Religion is the oldest lie told at the mother’s knee. It is accepted fact with no proof. So is most liberalism.  My daddy was a democrat, My granddaddy was a democrat and so.....  Cradle Liberals

----governments do you know of that do not have some sort of faith woven into it? Sure Liberalism, (and in fairness conservatism).  It’s just that Liberalism is not Bible based.

I am gonna kill you because my god is better than yours. ABORTION.

Marxism - a set of beliefs that require faith. All evidence in the world’s history shows that it just plain does not work and often fails with the deaths of millions, yet some still have faith in it. YES, in spades, YES.

Ann Coulter beat me to it. Marxism also considers not following the ideology to be a form of heresy. Witness Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Mao’s China, Stalin’s Russia for examples.

So, we see that the very arguments against “religion” are the very arguments against Godlessness as is practice by the liberal left.

By the Way RBBob.  Pointing out a stupid conservative in a fair fight is a losing proposition.  I can line up the house of Reps and Senators and go right down the line.  Conservatives nor liberals have no corner on the market for stupid people.

But, thanks for making the point.

Sometimes turnabout IS fair play!

Talk about missing the point and twisting the arguement GAWD (now that is funny).

Your need to turn this is strange at best. There was some good discussion going on here and to turn this into a liberal thing good LORD (cracking myself up even more).

Dude do me favor and get thee to priest, preferably one that hasn’t been partaking in the shit you have.

So much to chew on (and spit up) here.

Anton LeVay started a religion himself.

Jesse, re: the quote you linked.  Have you read that Jews are to regard a menstruating woman as unclean.  I believe the Law requires they be killed if they have sex with her . I’ll be happy to look up to verify.

Gene:  The Christian religion has been grabbed by the war-mongerers and ‘christian’ Zionists, who are better little Zionists than Israelis, quoth Ariel Sharon.

I’m not a Bible teacher but you claim to be, in which case the New Covenant tells you that you will receive a harsher judgement than I.

Jesus preaches turning the other cheek, certainly not PRE-EMPTIVE illegal and immoral war.

There is a pure Christianity which has nothing to do with the commercialized mega-church version today.

Cheers!

Oh...I forget Ms. Coulter.

The PERFECT/epitomic example of BAD religion:

Quoth the snake:

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and CONVERT THEM TO CHRISTIANITY”.

WWJD?

Lets not completely po-po religions, We wouldn’t be here if they weren’t here. We would still be in the dark ages. Thru out history when the morays of society went down the tubes, so did that society. It’s happening again.

Look at our morales in society now. I mean it is frustrating, no body has any honor, and no one does what they say they are going to do.

Now you have to have lawyers. In my younger days a handshake and your word was all you needed. People had integrity. Not now. Our society has become too materialistic. You speak of Spiritual Phenomena and your a nut case. People don’t have any reality on what Spirituality is all about. That is really too bad, as it really is the only thing that is important.

There is a learning curve on everything, even knowing yourself. You are a Spirit with infinite abilities. If you really knew it, not just the words, but the actual knowledge. Guess what? You would have infinite abilities. That is your future if you grow. Man is about to wake up, to who he really is…

The fixed don’t like to change, but hopefully we can win out.We have too. We are where we are technology speaking where we end up destroying our selves. We have to raise man’s morality level
quickly, before it is too late. If we are allowed to do what we know how to do in Scientology we can pull it off. If we fail we all fail, There is no other hope for man. We don’t have another 2000 years with the same thinking, sorry… We have no other choice but to cast our old ways and open our eyes to the bright new incredible future. The knowledge and abilities are with in each of us. The old ways are not opening them up, fast enough, so lets wake up…
Society doesn’t know who they are. (Remember the Mexican’s fancy car with the Hydraulics) As the car bounces down the road, you can just see they are saying “See me I am my car”. People are just into Body games, (SEX) not realizing that it is only an 8th rate emotion.They have no reality on operating out side there body naturally. You wonder why everyone is so fascinated with drinking and drugs, it is an artificial High or being out of the body with the body that is out of control. If you could be there naturally you’d never experience any thing like it. Talk to people that left there body during an out of body experience or a near death experience. It is something they never forget. Well People guess what? That is our” Native State”. That is where we use to be, long before we forgot who we are. For Real. We are Spiritual beings ya know. Well now it can mean more than words.

But you know; one can realize that being out of your body is your” Native State” for yourself. If one is not there he is in a degraded “State of Being”, called “MAN”. That is what the Higher States of Beingness in Scientology is about. It is called the State of O.T.(Operating Thetan) or you operating outside our body. Hey that is your Native State. You are a “Spirit” with infinite abilities and knowingness just like another “Spiritual Being” we call “God”. Know yourself and you will know “God”.  I have realized The God with in us all is, you. Think about it…

We Concider “God” the ultimate in Conciouness. We concider God everything, so we are part of that everything, so we are “God” too. Or look at it this way, A drop of water in the Ocean, is still the Ocean, right? See your understanding of what you already know changes. Your viewpoint changes, The knowledge you have where ever you got it from , is still yours. It just needs to keep changing for you to Grow. That is why we are here. To grow out of this Low level called the Material universe.

In our materialistic society people are at the bottom of the learning curve when it comes to such things. If you talk about it like I do or Scientology does, then your crazy. I know that is what your thinking, I was where you were once.

If people only knew, how little they know about them selves. Yet they know everything. There fixed ideas and believes tell them that they know, so real knowledge never happens. That is the story of man on this planet. This time we have the Tech to bring man to states of being where nothing can strike you down, where you will be continually be blown away in amazement. With in our higher consciouness lies the secrets to the universe and You. Yes it can sound rather Science fictiony, but you have to experience it to know it, That is the difference. You can know it, The average person never had a way to experience it before. Yes the secret societies, the Few that really practiced there religion in the extreme, yes, but now any one can experience it in Scientology.

If your going to learn about something and you still have the same concepts, then realize you haven’t learned. We have the same concepts on this planet for 1000’s of years being told us over and over, but man never changes, he keeps destroying himself over and over thru out history. One religion wiping out the other, as they are both right. Bull… They both need to know the truth, then fighting will become obsolete. There is an even higher level of understanding. That time is here Folks.

Realize for man to change, his thinking must change. Are we going to be open for new concepts, or are we still going to keep knowing what we have always known and destroy our selves again?

I hope we wake up this time while we have the technology in Scientology to get out of the trap man is in and become spiritually Free again, back to our Native State, where those old memories lie. Man is trying to destroy Scientology. Who else has the technology 100% standard world wide that can get back your own personal Past Live Memories? Who? So what if that was true? Are we nuts. Trying to destroy them? Yes we are. Man is an insane spiritual Being, Know you know the battle they have. Better hope Scn wins, Our eternity is at stake.

This time if we all get destroyed, no one else to speak of can remember who they are. It will be all over for eternity...Your beliefs don’t matter when it comes to truth. Truth will still have impact if you believe it or not. Believe is a much lower level than knowing. Thinking lies somewhere in the middle...We have to know if we are going to survive. You are the one that will benefit,and as you become more sane and certain, so will society, so we all win.

Man lies at the level of thinking, yet the real (YOU) The Spirit Or higher conciousness,can just know. Yes it may sound like Science fiction, but did you ever think that just maybe our Science fiction , is from our own distorted Past life memories of us?

A Spirit cannot die, Are you too nieve too think that in an endless eternity of time a Spirit with infinite abilities haven’t in that time period done unbelievable things? Do you think maybe there is reasons he has lost his powers and abilities? Where did he really come from? Probably from the same place as God. Where is that? Well my friend those memories are buried deep in your consciouness along with all those spiritual powers and abilities, Am I and a few Scientologists are going to be the only ones that Knows that? Somehow I Don’t think so…

If you look thru someone elses Photo alblum, it don’t do much for you, but when you look thru your own, boy where did all that misemotion come from? Ever think maybe when you gain the ability to see your own Past life , like maybe the Xenu incident it might effect you differently? I will say definitely. But who cares about the incident, it’s in our past. What your concerned about is the abilities you get back from actually you running that incident for you. When your back in an incident, try saying they don’t exist. It is an experience you must experience, because once you do, you will know why you are such a small being in this life, and you will know the only way for man to ever know is to recall his own past, there is no greater adventure. The reasons are known in Scientology why you can’t remember. They can fix your mind, and when you do you will get back the other 90% of your abilities, but perhaps you’d rather just hang on to your old believes, They probably aren’t so far fetched…

The truths of existence you won’t Find in a book. It is in the Book of Life, (Your own Mind). Man in his current condition, will never be able to have the truth. In fixing your mind, Your Confront level goes way up, You memory comes back, then running out the actual pain in your Mind that keeps you from remembering, You will with the help of a trained Scientology Auditor(Technition of the Mind)Find out about you and where you really came from.

As you grew up as a Kid you out grew the story of Santa Clause, (I hope). When you grow up Spiritually you will out grow the Stories you have been told. They will take on a totally diferent level of understanding, but this time just like your abilites came up as an adult, Your abilities spiritually are going to come up, Big time… To really know means you should be able to walk on water and raise the dead also, So realize you don’t know so real learning can happen.You know what one knows by there Fruits…

Hope you enjoyed my Science fiction story. Don’t believe a word of it. If you observed something that is true for you and you can make it yours. Great…

If it is true for you then it is true.Knowledge means you have certainty and the certainty comes about in ability. You are going to have to be able to survive what lies in store for us on this planet, so I hope you will at least look for yourself… But be Wise You don’t go to a Jeweler to find out about Plumbing, do you? Go to a Scientology Center and find out from Source. What you hear in the media or me is not Scientology, trust me…

Diane;

Jesse, re: the quote you linked. Have you read that Jews are to regard a menstruating woman as unclean. I believe the Law requires they be killed if they have sex with her . I’ll be happy to look up to verify.

Why even bring this up since Jewish men aren’t actually killing their women like Muslim men do?

Huge difference isn’t it?

You could have figured out the difference on your own if you would look at the big picture or look at things more objectively objectively.