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This is weird....Day usually has more sense than this.

from Mr. Day:

...it took the Germans less than four years to rid themselves of 6 million Jews…

I have a little problem with this. Am I wrong?

No, you’re not wrong.  I think Mr. Day is trying to demonstrate that you can move a lot of people very quickly, but the use of a case of genocide to do so is going to, well, distract from that point a wee bit.

I don’t think he’s endorsing another Holocaust, but this is an extremely poorly chosen metaphor.

I can see it now another holocaust fairy tale from the Mexicans, can you hear them cry El Oy Vay! How long must we be prosecuted in there broken english dialect.

I am not gonna go into the rid the Jews comment, but if I remember correctly Hitler did try to deport them, but no country wanted them, can you blame them?

Robert Perry:

I don’t think he’s endorsing another Holocaust, but this is an extremely poorly chosen metaphor.

Not to mention the incredible suffering that was created by the forced relocation of the Jews.

I have never had an ignore list before but, holy shit WETBACK, you are now top of the heap.
E-mail much with Ahmadinejad?

What an astonishing fuckwit. Yeah, you can do a hell of a lot if you’re willing to do most anything. I’m surprised he didn’t start talking about building big burrito ovens. Maybe he’s saving that for next time.

Billy

Rob, this just goes to show that there are people on both sides of this issue who we would just rather not have speaking out as they are not reflective of the views of either side.  Sometimes these are just hangers on.

Not to mention the incredible suffering that was created by the forced relocation of the Jews.

This isn’t something I’m all that concerned about with the illegals.  The Jews were legal citizens who were ripped away from their property and neighborhoods.  Illegal immigrants aren’t in the same situation.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Um, Rob, look at the trap you just wandered into.  Now I “know” you at least online, and I would never accuse you of sending SWAT teams to bring illegal immigrants (shooting them if need be), brutalizing them, and putting them on cattle cars bound for a slaughterhouse converted to make “Soylent Green.”

And yet that is exactly what most people who read your comment about “comfort” are going to think of next--even though it’s clearly not what you meant and clearly not in keeping with your character.

Day has made a huge mistake here.  But let’s not forget that even the best of us can fall into a trap laid by the examples we choose in writing, and cut him a little bit of grace, OK?

I know I need to, as I’ve made some doozies of mistakes myself!

Not to mention the incredible suffering that was created by the forced relocation of the Jews.

This isn’t something I’m all that concerned about with the illegals. The Jews were legal citizens who were ripped away from their property and neighborhoods. Illegal immigrants aren’t in the same situation.

Another reason why Mass Deportation is an insane idea that has very litle political backing, by a two to one margin, and makes very little sense.  The untold human suffering that would result is unimaginable.  To brush it off as though it has no bearing is insane.  We are not the type of country to force that type of suffering on 12 million people, citizens or not, and not care about it…

Except Rob, that many of these “illegals” have citizen children in the country.

To brush it off as though it has no bearing is insane. We are not the type of country to force that type of suffering on 12 million people, citizens or not, and not care about it…

Oh give me a break.  Empowering law enforcement to arrest illegals so that the number in this country can be reduced over time is hardly an insane idea, and deporting them to their home countries is hardly equivalent to the type of suffering the Jews went through in concentration camps.

Get a grip.

Except Rob, that many of these “illegals” have citizen children in the country.

Children who can stay with their legal guardians, whever they go, until such a time as they can come here themselves and claim their citizenship.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Oh give me a break. Empowering law enforcement to arrest illegals so that the number in this country can be reduced over time is hardly an insane idea, and deporting them to their home countries is hardly equivalent to the type of suffering the Jews went through in concentration camps.

Get a grip.

You don’t think there will be mass suffering as income, livelyhood, property, possesion, and familes are taken away from 10 million people in this country?  You’ve gotta be realistic and mass deportaion just ain’t realistic.  Possible?  Technically, but not plausable by any means.

The illegals are here and we have polititians to blame for it, not the illegals.

During the depression California forcibly deported Mexicans. US Citzens included.
This kind of action can be acomplished in any country, if you can inflame the citizenry and pass some Special Laws.

U.S. urged to apologize for 1930s deportations

Rob,they don’t have to “claim” their citizenship, they are citizens, period.  There is no comparing this to the Holocaust, I don’t think that what was meant.  What was meant was that there will be suffering and quite frankly, as I have written before, the citizens don’t have the stomach for deportation of this nature even if done over time.  The front page news day in and day out of old men and women being forcibly taken out of their homes just won’t wash with the american people.  Sphagnum is right in is post at 6:05 p.m.

I fixed your link there WOOF. You didn’t have a link title. If you’re using the tags, and I assume you are, click on the link button and paste your link, then put in a title and then click on the link tag again to close it.

You don’t think there will be mass suffering as income, livelyhood, property, possesion, and familes are taken away from 10 million people in this country? You’ve gotta be realistic and mass deportaion just ain’t realistic. Possible? Technically, but not plausable by any means.

Police officers arresting illegal immigrants?  Illegal immigrants then being shipped across the border?  I think it is entirely plausible, and the only argument against it I’m hearing from yhou is “12 million is a really big number and we can’t do it!”

Not very convincing.

Rob,they don’t have to “claim” their citizenship, they are citizens, period.

Right, but unfortunatley they are underage citizens and must stay with their parents until they can live here by themselves.  I’m not saying they should be denied citizenship, just saying that they should stay with their parents until they can live here on their own.

What was meant was that there will be suffering and quite frankly, as I have written before, the citizens don’t have the stomach for deportation of this nature even if done over time.

Speak for yourself, bleeding heart.

The front page news day in and day out of old men and women being forcibly taken out of their homes just won’t wash with the american people.

And, of course, that’s what the media would focus on.  Just like how in Iraq they focus on the daily car bombings instead of on the overall fact that we’re winning the war.

I’m sorry, but no quarter for criminals.  This country is a representative democracy.  The representatives of the people passed immigration laws, and these 12 million people thumbed their noses at it.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am not in favor of seeing our laws walked on by anybody.  Otherwise, what good is writing these laws at all?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Well, Rob, you obviously missed Karl Rove tody at the American Enterprise Institute and his comments on Iraq.  And yes, I’m a bleeding heart but realistic in knowing what will happen. You can try to ignore the reality of the situation but even the majority of the citizens know it is unrealistic to send 12 million packing.

And those kids would be eligible for foster care, since they are citizens and I would bet that most would find a way to keep those kids in the US since they are citizens adn we would be responsiblie to take care of them.  No law could be passed to the contrary about those minors having to leave the country. 

The country failed to enforce the laws, we all allowed this to happen.  Oh puleese, Rob, we walk over our laws each and every day, we speed, we run stop signs, some cheat on their income taxes.  Citizens thumb their noses at our laws every day.

The country failed to enforce the laws, we all allowed this to happen.

Hell...some of us (you) even cheer them on and poo-poo any and every attempt at upholding the law. And then you have the nerve to spread blame? Ha!

Thanks Lik didn’t realize I had to title the link
experiment

oh, please lik, you’re all jumping on the bandwagon cuz someone decided the time was right for the immigration.  The president talked about his immmigration when he was campaigning for office.  Where were you then?  Where were all the Tancredos of the world then?  He didn’t make any secret of his immigration plan?  Oooo, it’s a hot button issue now and you’re all jumping on the band wagon.  You voted for Bush knowing his stance on immigration.  He came from a border state.  He campaigned on a guest worker program.  So get off your high horse, Lik, and quit acting all so indignant!

Where do you place the title I put it after the Where do you place the title I put it after the This may be a Camino Browser problem. Only since site code was updated did I have any radio buttons/tags in Camino.
Later I will try Firefox.

You realize that if the GOP as a party pushed for mass deportation, the GOP would cease to exsist as a political party, right?  You think they should “do the right thing” even if it ends up in a massive takeover by the liberals in this country?

Any party that is thought to be responsible for the suffering that would ensure because of mass deportation (just think of the daily onslaught from the MSM about the poor immigrants being sent home without a job and families seperated!) will overnight be demonized and marginalized on anything else it tried to do.  You are advocating abandoning the entire conservative adgenda.

They are here illegally.  No glossing over that fact.  If we deport even a million, the rest will leave in fear, especially if we lock up the candy store and don’t let them suck off of our public services.  We shouldn’t break up families; the children should go with their parents.  Clinton established that with Elian Gonzalez.  Maybe then they will address the problems in their own countries that led them to come here in the first place.  Maybe it will give them some incentive, rather than taking the easy way out and invading our country.

You can try to ignore the reality of the situation but even the majority of the citizens know it is unrealistic to send 12 million packing.

Really?  You polled every single American citizen?

The country failed to enforce the laws, we all allowed this to happen. Oh puleese, Rob, we walk over our laws each and every day, we speed, we run stop signs, some cheat on their income taxes. Citizens thumb their noses at our laws every day.

So the next time there is a wave of thefts here in Minot I guess we should all just push to solve it by making theft legal, right?

That makes lots of sense.

Some of us have been calling for border enforcement for years.  It wasn’t until the problem has reached the breaking point (with American citizens owning property along the border screaming for some protection from the hordes trespassing on their land, not to mention ER’s and other public services being shutdown thanks to the number of illegals demanding service) that more people began to take the problem seriously.

These people aren’t Americans.  They didn’t come here to be American.  They came here to exploit our welfare state.  That’s it.

They should be sent packing, not rewarded with citizenship.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Sometimes you have to do the right thing, even if you think it might be unpopular.  That is the soul of conservatism.  The electorate might very well surprise us.

Puzzlefeet said, oh, please lik, you’re all jumping on the bandwagon cuz someone decided the time was right for the immigration.

Where were you seven years ago when I was talking about the need for closing the borders? OH THAT’S RIGHT, YOU DIDN’T KNOW ME THEN.

Please...don’t assume.

The president talked about his immmigration when he was campaigning for office. Where were you then?

I don’t know. Where was I, since you seem to presume to know me better than myself?

Oooo, it’s a hot button issue now and you’re all jumping on the band wagon.

No. It’s a hot button issue now and so I am louder about the problem.

You voted for Bush knowing his stance on immigration.

Yep. I also voted for Bush knowing that he spends like a liberal. Your point is?

So get off your high horse, Lik, and quit acting all so indignant!

You’re an ignorant jackass Puzzlefeet.

Right Rob., Like Bush wasn’t aware of the problem as gov of Texas, he campaigned on the issue, you didn’t challenge him then, you voted for him.  He will not put up a wall, he will not deport 12 million workers.  We’ll watch what he says in a few minutes.

Sphagnum:  Weigh the death of our country from an invasion of illegals from a socialist country to the possible reorganization of the Republican Party.  Not much of a call, really.  GW should use his last two years to kick Iran’s ass and deport the illegals.

Ooohhh Lik, did I strike a nerve here?  Wow, I think I’ll go listen to the president, and wait for his wall to go up and deportation sections of his speech.  See ya later, Lik, calm down, don’t blow a carotid.

We all voted for GW so we wouldn’t be brought down by Kerry, not because of his stance on immigration.  Just like a leftie to lie about it.  Kerry wanted this country to bend over for the UN.  “Pass the global test...” Remember?

Puzzlefeet drivels, Ooohhh Lik, did I strike a nerve here? Wow, I think I’ll go listen to the president, and wait for his wall to go up and deportation sections of his speech. See ya later, Lik, calm down, don’t blow a carotid.

Quit acting all so indignant Puzzlefeet. And drop the pompous ass attitude.

You’re like a little kid who doesn’t get it sometimes. You assume too much lady.

Right Rob., Like Bush wasn’t aware of the problem as gov of Texas, he campaigned on the issue, you didn’t challenge him then, you voted for him. He will not put up a wall, he will not deport 12 million workers. We’ll watch what he says in a few minutes.

Puzzle, I’ve been pretty clear on the fact that Bush is dead wrong on illegal immigration.  So much for me being a knee-jerk Bush-lover, eh?  I’d better not hear anything like that come out of your mouth in my direction again.

As for him campaigning on it, I didn’t much pay attention to the election in 2000.  Too young then.  Paid attention to the last election and I didn’t hear him talk about it much at all.

Ooohhh Lik, did I strike a nerve here? Wow, I think I’ll go listen to the president, and wait for his wall to go up and deportation sections of his speech. See ya later, Lik, calm down, don’t blow a carotid.

I think the only reason Lik sounds excited is from laughing at your inanity.  We’ve been clear about Bush being wrong on illegal immigration.  That you don’t get that is amazing.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Puzzlefeet=diane

Save America mass-deport the wetbacks! oh is that so cruel? what happen to the world dont owe you a living? Why is Mexico so poor if these fine Mexicans are such great workers? It’s about time Bush is doing something for America, but I got a feeling He’s all talk.

And if by chance he does make good on this promise, who knows maybe He’ll make good on His promise to the Christians who voted for him as well. But I doubt it again.

Weigh the death of our country from an invasion of illegals from a socialist country to the possible reorganization of the Republican Party. Not much of a call, really. GW should use his last two years to kick Iran’s ass and deport the illegals.

If you seriously think that immigrants from Mexico are going to be the end of our country, you are insane.  If you also think that mass deportations will result in a “possible reorganization” of the GOP, you have no political sense whatsoever.  It will be the end of the GOP leading America for a very, very, very long time.

So the next time there is a wave of thefts here in Minot I guess we should all just push to solve it by making theft legal, right?

No, but if crime were an acceptable way of life for 20 years and suddenly a new sherrif came in town, you couldn’t just line everyone in town up and put them all in jail.  You start enforcing the law from that point forward…

Our elected officials have let us down.  Now that they have figured out they need to take care of this problem, let’s take care of it and not go nuts by advocating absurd ideas like deporting 3% of the US population....

Spaghetti, they are not 3% of our population. They are illegals.

Why not enforce the law against the criminals that have refused to enforce the law?

Rob you wrote a bit earlier: “Where were you seven years ago when I was talking about the need for closing the borders? OH THAT’S RIGHT, YOU DIDN’T KNOW ME THEN.

Please...don’t assume.” Then you wrote just above: “As for him campaigning on it, I didn’t much pay attention to the election in 2000. Too young then. Paid attention to the last election and I didn’t hear him talk about it much at all.”

So Rob, you wrote were talking about closing the borders seven years ago, and then didn’t pay too much attention to the election in 2000, because you were too young.  Hmmm.....

OH, DocDave, you’d never vote democratic and you know it.

I think the bottom line here is that both sides are pretty hardened to their positions.  So it will be interesting to watch how Pres. Bush threads this needle.

So Rob, you wrote were talking about closing the borders seven years ago, and then didn’t pay too much attention to the election in 2000, because you were too young.

I’m the one who was discussing such political matters seven and more years ago. Rob was still politically ignorant. You switched us up.

Puzzle,

Rob you wrote a bit earlier: “Where were you seven years ago when I was talking about the need for closing the borders? OH THAT’S RIGHT, YOU DIDN’T KNOW ME THEN.

Please...don’t assume.” Then you wrote just above: “As for him campaigning on it, I didn’t much pay attention to the election in 2000. Too young then. Paid attention to the last election and I didn’t hear him talk about it much at all.”

So Rob, you wrote were talking about closing the borders seven years ago, and then didn’t pay too much attention to the election in 2000, because you were too young. Hmmm.....

I didn’t write that first statement.  I don’t know who said that.  Maybe you shouldn’t put words I didn’t write in my mouth.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Sphag:  It’s insane to think that this kind of massive disrespect for the law should go unnoticed.  The canard of “mass deportation” is a dishonest strawman argument.  We make it impossible for them to come in, we make it hot for the ones that are here, and a large number of them will leave of their own accord.  You should know that.  We dry up the jobs and the welfare, and deport them as we find them, and the US won’t be so attractive anymore.  Use your head, for God’s Sake!!!

Puzzlefeet=diane

Kind of like the Palestinians, I guess.

"Wow, who will I be next, Robert?”

Depends on what new names you invent for your multiple personalities.  Not my call.

My apologies, Rob, got yours mixed up with another.  My apologies, will read more carefully next time. 

Thanks for the clarification Lik, my apologies to you as well.

Diane, obviously some think you are me and I am you.  Some here can’t believe that we are different posters.  Easier for them, I guess.

Bobby (Robert108’s alter-ego) lives in a fantasy world.  Let’s let him enjoy himself. 

Let’see....who shall I be next?  Hmmmm......

Puzzlefeet=diane

No, the IP addresses are totally differnt.

Sphag: It’s insane to think that this kind of massive disrespect for the law should go unnoticed. The canard of “mass deportation” is a dishonest strawman argument.

It should not go unnoticed.  You ask those that want to stay to pay their debt to society.  They pay large fines for breaking the law and they spend time working toward citizenship.  If they do not do this, they have received warning and are deported.

We make it impossible for them to come in, we make it hot for the ones that are here, and a large number of them will leave of their own accord. You should know that. We dry up the jobs and the welfare, and deport them as we find them, and the US won’t be so attractive anymore. Use your head, for God’s Sake!!!

You don’t have to take shots at me, Robert.  But I am against simply blocking 3-4% of our population off from society.  They are here, they need to come out of the shadows and be dealt with.  It is in all of our interest that they not simply disappear.  Our economy would suffer, our populous would suffer.

Spaghetti, they are not 3% of our population. They are illegals.

They are human beings living in America working, eating, renting, owning, buying, creating families, marrying etc.  They are part of our society wether they have the proper paperwork or not.  The point is they are integrated into our population and that isnt’ going to change.

As an aside, all you pro-deportation people… you all do realize that no matter how loud you scream, it will never happen right?  I mean, no matter what you think of the situation, you realize that there is exactly 0% of ever passing legislation through both branches of the federal government that simply deports the illegals, right?

as long as they are not integrated in this society and do not speak the official language, their place is not in the country. and if we let every illegal immigrant that got into the country stay, why don’t we just grant amnesty to the criminals who escape from the jail? which part of the “illegal” is not clear? blaming someone is not the answer. it is time to do something...before is too late. Cause “we should have and sorry” will not undo anything you ignorant human beings!

and if we let every illegal immigrant that got into the country stay, why don’t we just grant amnesty to the criminals who escape from the jail?

For the umpteenth time, it’s not amnesty.  They will be forced to meet standards and pay their debt to society through fines.  They will be required to learn english.  They will be required to be otherwise law-abiding citizens.  They will have to have a job.  That is not amnesty.

It is amnesty because they don’t have to leave while they’ve (chortle chortle) made it right.

Meanwhile the people that have followed the law to emigrate here have to...wait.

I’m ready to be picked off by a third party.

As an aside, all you pro-deportation people… you all do realize that no matter how loud you scream, it will never happen right?

Why exactly, tell me, do we need a new law?

Puzzlefeet=diane
No, the IP addresses are totally differnt

Good luck; he’ll never believe it.  It’s known as living in a fantasy world.

The Palestinians were deported from their legal homes that they had lived in for generations.  Maybe that’s why they’re so upset?

One reason mass deportation will not take place is that Bush wants them here.  He and Fox are buddies, and Bush’s corporate buddies need cheap labor.

Antonio DeRugosa, Mayor of Los Angeles, is one of the many Hispanic officials who will soon have the highest offices in the state and then in the country.

Get used to it and, may I say, your Bush wants it that way.  He doesn’t care because he’s a globalist and the U.S. is just one country on his economic plate (personal economics of himself and other super rich/super powerful/elite).

It should be obvious to everyone by now.

And, may I also say, that being here, sumbling onto a hard-core Bush supporters blog at just this moment of history has been most timely.  It’s fascinating to watch people disillusioned before your very eyes. 

I was disillusioned by him long ago, my mom was as of, oh, about 6 months to a year ago (open boarders/Medicare) and now some of you.

Only the very hardcore of the hardcore are still in fantasyland, and I think nothing will shake them (think famous painting ‘Buffalo Herd’ and/or lemming)

Not that I belive it, but there is such things as proxy servers. what do you think Robert108? Iam sorry Iam just playing around.

I was thinking about making a comment under the name Ira with a nice proxy from Israel and agree with my self

Yeah, can’t you tell that Diane has that laid back SoCal accent and I have that transplanted Nodak DC accent. 

Hey, Whistler, don’t get me all hot and bothered that you can be picked of by third party, I just don’t think it’s possible because when push comes to shove, you’ll probably vote Repub. if only to stop the Ds from taking over.

Spahgnum, I’ve tried all those arguments, it is deportation and a wall or nothing.  As I’ve said their positions are hardened, nothing will appease them other than a wall and deportation of 12 million workers and their citizen children.

Spahgnum, I’ve tried all those arguments, it is deportation and a wall or nothing. As I’ve said their positions are hardened, nothing will appease them other than a wall and deportation of 12 million workers and their citizen children.

Yeah, that’s what frustrates me the most… those here that are going to belittle Bush and tell him how wrong he is unless every illegal is deported an a 20-foot wall is built from the Gulf to the Pacific… It’s absurd....

Bush wants open borders.  That’s what people have to face up to and admit.  If he didn’t, the Border Patrol would have been beefed up, not devastated by his administration.

I live 5 miles from a checkpoint; I’ve seen it firsthand.

I don’t know the best way to secure our borders.  If it must be a wall so be it.

I’ve supported Bush (or given him a pass) on every other thing he’s done.  I haven’t liked his spending.

It’s a simple thing.  When you catch them you kick them out.  What’s hard about that.  It doesn’t even take a new law.

Two computers, two IPs.  Not that difficult.  The ideas and the approaches are so similar that it makes no difference to me.  Lockstep lefties; OK, whatever.

Sphag:  They are not “our population”.  They are draining our country in several ways, and they are not assimilating.  They don’t want to learn the language, to a great extent.  They want us to accomodate them.  As a resident of Southern CA, I encounter this on a daily basis.  We cannot ignore illegal behavior, especially to this degree, without losing at least some of our national identity.  Once again, the “mass deportation” strawman argument.  We build the wall, we lock down the border, we dry up the jobs, we cut off the welfare.  Maybe they will return home and work hard to improve their own countries.  What’s wrong with that?

"Bush wants open borders. That’s what people have to face up to and admit.” No namecalling?  You are now a Bush fan, since he is seeming to support your leftie approach?  We see where your real loyalty lies.

Sphagnum.
I think you’re being a bit too hatsh in your assessment.  Most people recognize the enormity of trying to deport 12 million illegals… although I suspect one the first 1 or 2 million have been deported, the rest would not likely hang around to see who’d be next.

But what most people on the Right want is the proper priority.  Get control of the border first!  Then deal with the illegals who are here.  To lump it all together in some sort of bi-lingual sausage casing is ultimately going to satisfy no one.  A goovernment that cannot control its own borders, regardless of the rationalizations offered, is likely to have no more credibility abroad than it does at home.

Regardless of which side of the Israeli wall your sympathies may lie on, the fact. ike it not, is that it has been effective in cutting down on suicide bombings, its original purpose.

What I find most amusing is the underlying story.  Iraq is over.  We took out the terrorist headquarters last week, and the documents we found revealed that their movement is in tatters.  Now, the lefties who have been carrying on a jihad against the President for five years over Iraq have to jump to a new issue.  The NSA thing is getting no traction, and all you have is illegal immigration.  Now, you are trying to align with the President, which is really a laugh, and try to drive out the conservatives, who will never vote Dem.  You pretend that this border issue has been going on for years, and the Pres hasn’t been paying attention.  The MSM jackals have been on him about Iraq; that’s why.  I don’t agree with the Pres on this one, but it is hilarious to see the lying antics of the lefties on this one.

Robert, I’ll confess.  I’m every liberal who has ever posted on this blog.  I’m everyone who disagrees with you.

There are many of me, and we are all coming after YOU. 

(Theme from Twilight Zone playing in the background)

More leftie lying.

Iraq is over, R108, too, too funny.  The dems did not bring up the immigration issue if I remember correctly.  You just love to rewrite history.  Oohh R108, you caught on to our secret plan, to get all those right wing conservs. to vote with us.  Shouldn’t be too hard, they are so malleable, easy to change their minds, they won’t even know they are voting democratic.

Give me a break.  We know you won’t ever vote D.  We just love to watch you dance R108.

Regardless of which side of the Israeli wall your sympathies may lie on, the fact. ike it not, is that it has been effective in cutting down on suicide bombings, its original purpose.

Too bad it hasn’t cut down on immoral killing of Palestinians by Israelis, who have to keep going outside their wall to do it.

What I find most amusing is the underlying story. Iraq is over. We took out the terrorist headquarters last week, and the documents we found revealed that their movement is in tatters. Now, the lefties who have been carrying on a jihad against the President for five years over Iraq have to jump to a new issue

Link?  Iraq is over?  You’re hilarious, Robert!

Now, you are trying to align with the President, which is really a laugh, and try to drive out the conservatives

The last thing in the WORLD I can think of I’m trying to do is align with this ‘President’.  Yuk, the thought is nauseating.  I frankly could care less what conservatives do, but I find it interesting that he finally has been able to alienate all but his most hardcore and nonthinking followers.  He even alienated my mom.  Amazing.

Two computers, two IPs. Not that difficult.

If it was from the same location, going throught the same ISP, they IPs would be similar if not identiacal.  They are different people.

Sphag: They are not “our population”. They are draining our country in several ways, and they are not assimilating. They don’t want to learn the language, to a great extent. They want us to accomodate them. As a resident of Southern CA, I encounter this on a daily basis.

I live in CA as well.  I see it as well.  And yes, they are part of the US population.  You use a big “they” to cover everything you don’t like about the general illegal population but much of what you are saying is giong to be addressed.  Those that don’t speak the language are going to be sent home.  Those that do not provide for themselves (dont’ ahve a job) will be sent home.  These problems ARE being addressed by the President and Congress.  You ahve to conceed that, hopefully the final resolution contains these elements.

Sphagnum.
I think you’re being a bit too hatsh in your assessment. ... what most people on the Right want is the proper priority. Get control of the border first! Then deal with the illegals who are here.

Fair enough.  This, I do understand.  I just wish it were said more clearly and loudly by some.  Some appear not to be satisfied unless every one of their suggestions (wall, deportaion, learn english, no welfare, etc) is met.  I just wish those would give this Congress and Bush the enormous credit they deserve for taking this problem head on, instead of ignoring it like the last 10 Congresses have, and coming up with common sense solutions and that will,in the end, help to fix the problem.

If it was from the same location, going throught the same ISP, they IPs would be similar if not identiacal. They are different people.

Okay, is it settled or not?  Are we different people or aren’t we?  I, for one, would appreciate a definite answer.  ;P

Diane, I think we should give a sample of our DNA, maybe pee in a cup or post at exactly the same time. Oh sheesh, we’re identical twins living on opposite oceans, that won’t work.

I’m so confused Diane, are we the same person or are we clones, god, don’t let them know that or it will be the next speech Bush has to give to appease them. 

Oh, well, do we really care, this is just too much fun.  Keep it up Diane (even though we don’t agree all the time, just enough to keep them confused.)

It’s not all about you.

but much of what you are saying is giong to be addressed. Those that don’t speak the language are going to be sent home. Those that do not provide for themselves (dont’ ahve a job) will be sent home.

Why do I wonder if they will actually enforce the law?  That’s a serious question.

We have a President and many members of Congress that are ready to reward the lawbreakers. 

President Bush said we need a guest worker program where they’d also return home.  (Frankly I don’t like that, I’d rather take people that want to become Americans and let them take the jobs.) Right now I doubt that the guest workers would ever be sent home. 

If we are unwilling to enforce the laws it means any of the (immigration) laws are worthless.

Of course, it is Robert108, you’re the one who started the P=Diane stuff on a couple of threads.  Now we’re having some fun with you and you get all serious on us. Come on now, don’t start something you can’t finish, prove we’re the same person.  You made it about us.

Maybe they’re just dating?

Hey, Whistler, do you want to watch?

No thanks I just ate supper and I want to keep it.

Puzzlefeet, I hate to disappoint you, but you’re not the first.

No, BobbyBoy has had me as jason (not from the horror move, though he might), WETBACK (I think), and probably others I forget at the moment.

But, though not the first, you’ll always be special.

Thanks, Diane, but you know that Whistler is one of those closet watchers.  Likes to deny his inner desires and make everyone believe that he is so macho but the alluedes to his inner desires. We know what you want Whistler,you already admitted, it’s oK.  Remember Seinfeld said, “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

Boy you got me figured out.

Plus, I hear he’s rich...and you know how kinky those ‘rich folk’ are. 

If we are unwilling to enforce the laws it means any of the (immigration) laws are worthless.

Granted.  I guess I just have faith that all this talk has got to result int he law being enforced once it is brought up to date.  I guess I just give them the benifit of the doubt on that point…

diane spews, And, may I also say, that being here, sumbling onto a hard-core Bush supporters blog at just this moment of history has been most timely. It’s fascinating to watch people disillusioned before your very eyes.

diane must not pay too much attention because if she did, she would realize that all of the resident conservatives here regularly disagree with Bush on a number of key issues. That she continues to say ignorant things like “hard-core Bush supporters” shows that she either doesn’t pay attention or is willfully ignorant.

I can not believe that anyone in their right mind would drag the Holocaust into this. I mean really.

BTW, I happen to support immigration reform and increased border security...but I also know that there are a lot of hispanics out there picking grapes and pruning and working the fields and I don’t see Americans falling all over themselves to take these jobs. So maybe a worker program of some sort might be a good idea. Unless of course all those foaming at the mouth key board pounders out there would like to play like Okies in the Dust Bowl.

I guess I just give them the benifit of the doubt on that point…

I don’t.

Reagan gave in to illegal immigration, now Bush wants to give in.  Both times we tell ourselves “this will be the last time.  It will be fixed after this.”

This isn’t a good trend.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Hey, Diane managed to make ANOTHER posting all about them Jews! She’s just MAGIC, man.

Billy

Deport 12 million people! We put 110,000 Japanese citizens in camps and have never heard the end of it or quit paying for it. (P.S. Canada did the same, but nobody heard it.) We don’t have the guts to deport this many. I have been saying for 20 years we need a wall and troops on the border. What happened to kick this over? Americans getting worried? Good it is about time. I don’t care about NSA spying, but I do care that one day illegals will come North and take what we have. Don’t believe it-just wait.

Reagan gave in to illegal immigration, now Bush wants to give in. Both times we tell ourselves “this will be the last time. It will be fixed after this.”

There is no trend.  It happened once in the 1980’s and when they passed the amnesty, they didn’t follow through with the enforcment.  This time I have faith that they will follow through with enforcment.  Bush isn’t caving on anything, he’s fully in support of enforcment.

I don’t have your faith, Spaghetti.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

I think that Sphagnum may be correct here:  If we get the enforcement issues (border security, consequences for blatant violations on employers) taken care of first, then the legalization may not have the dire consequences that you are predicting.

Whether it’s fair to those who’ve been cut-in-line on, is a different question of course.  (I understand there may be an upcoming Minuteman political ad hitting on this latter issue.)

For those lefties who can’t face the truth that Iraq is over, causing the American jihadists in the Dem party and the MSM to shift their attack to the matter of illegal immigration, here’s the link:

LOL

No link!...very funny...very telling...very truthful

R108, What color is the sky in your world.  Not even Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld have said that.  But obviously you are the expert.  Better give those guys a call and let them know the good news.

Oh and R108, may be we can use all that money we’ll save from the war to pay down the huge national debt.  Let the Prez know that as well, he’ll be presently surprised considering all the bad news for him recently.  Might even gain a point or two on the polls.

rbb: It didn’t work.  I posted it in the little window, and it didn’t go through. 

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5500

rbb: Happy now?  I don’t expect you to apologize, as that would take a real man.

P:  read the link, then get back to me.  Your rants are both incoherent.  So now you believe Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld, you hypocrite?

The only creditable solution is to deal with the people who hire these illegals, Boycott, curse, kill , etc. Once no one hires them, they will not come.

because obviously our Government don’t care what we want.

Lock down the border, first.

Puzzlefeet:

Oh and R108, may be we can use all that money we’ll save from the war to pay down the huge national debt.

Pushing more lefty propaganda again, eh?  The facts are that our budget debt measured as a percentage of GDP is at 2.7%, which is exactly the 40-year median value.  Not great, but not “huge,” unless you’re a Bush hater looking for something to bitch about....

Secondly the budget deficit has not been driven by military spending (though that has helped) but by entitlement spending, which has surged from less than 50% of our budget 20 years ago to nearly 2/3s of the budget in 2006.

Dropping military spending may help, but that is uncertain, because part of the military spending actually stimulates economic activity.  Entitlement spending, on the other hand, never does.

Robert108 is right.  The war in Iraq for all intents and purposes is over.  It is a matter of time before the insurgency collapses on itself.  The bigger lingering question (which was always there, just missed by myopic Bush haters) is whether Iraq could hang together as a nation, or splinter off into a set of Balkan-like states.  That would be a failure of the Bush doctrine of course, but it was the main danger from day one, and not an insurgency that could only survive by killing women and children (to the cheering of you folks on the left).