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Friday, April 28, 2006

Illegal Immigration Protests Aimed At Closing Down U.S. Cities

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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pro-immigration activists say a national boycott and marches planned for May 1 will flood U.S. streets with millions of Latinos to demand amnesty for illegal immigrants and shake the ground under Congress as it debates reform.

Such a massive turnout could make for the largest protests since the civil rights era of the 1960s, though not all Latinos -- nor their leaders -- were comfortable with such militancy, fearing a backlash in Middle America.

"There will be 2 to 3 million people hitting the streets in Los Angeles alone. We're going to close down Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Tucson, Phoenix, Fresno," said Jorge Rodriguez, a union official who helped organize earlier rallies credited with rattling Congress as it debates the issue.


Regardless of one's stance on the illegal immigration issue I'm not sure how anyone could see this protest as being something that will be ultimately good for the pro-illegal immigration advocates.

On one hand, if the protest is successful and they do "shut down" several major American cities all they're likely to accomplish is to annoy a lot of people who just want to go to get to work and go about their daily routine without bother from a bunch of yahoos with a political axe to grind. Oh sure, they may intimidate a few Americans into thinking "Gosh there's a lot of them, we'd better give up!" but on the flip side of that it would do these advocates well to remember that a lot of Americans don't take intimidation well at all.

On the other hand, what happens if this protest flops? These advocates are promising to shut down cities and businesses across the nation, so what if that doesn't happen? What if there are just a lot of protests and media coverage, but largely nobody is impacted by it all?

I suspect that this latter scenario is the more likely one, and that wouldn't be very good for the movement either.

I think this is a lose-lose situation. If they do manage to intimidate some Americans I don't think it will be received well, and if the protest flops the movement is going to be seen as inconsequential.

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Unions, communists, anarchists, thieves.  Same story, different location.  I read in the NEA reporter that they have now joined the AFL/CIO and have completely exposed their previous line of, "professional association".  His line now:  Teachers fo the World Unite !

Very close to:  Workers of the World Unite !

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 05:52 am
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Chief, please try to be accurate, the NEA has not joined the AFL-CIO, it is allowing its local associations to make their own decisions to join the federation.  So at least me accurate!

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 06:55 am
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Unions, communists, anarchists, thieves. Same story, different location.

Military, paid mercenaries, hit men; one in the same.

It’s sad when someone has to wear a uniform to feel like a man.  Or wear a military uniform to look ‘Presidential’. LOL

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 07:31 am
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Puzzle,  Close difference.  The union/mafia connection has been well established and convicted in courts of law.  Have you ever heard of Local 560?  Do you agree that union types can or should be able to beat up, intimidate, damage other people and their property?

diane,   The difference is that the US military is established in our US Constitution and supported by votes in congress.   Those representatives are elected by the citizens of the USA.  Our original National Guard went to Concord Bridge without any pay.  I have done the same from time to time.  How dare you.

How do you know what a person feels?!?  In the military, people put their lives on the line so others can be free at home.   Take a read:

http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/04/on-sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs.html

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 07:52 am
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Ooh, Diane, that was a bit over the top even for me. 

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 07:53 am
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diane,   The difference is that the US military is established in our US Constitution and supported by votes in congress.   Those representatives are elected by the citizens of the USA.  Our original National Guard went to Concord Bridge without any pay.  I have done the same from time to time.  How dare you.

Well, our right to not be wiretapped without cause and a warrant is also provided for and Bush could care less.  Lecture him, military person.  I’ve done tons of work in my life without pay, cry me a river.  That’s how I dare.  And I haven’t killed someone who did nothing to me (or anyone else for that matter) because someone whose logic for doing so was faulty (understatement of the year) and whose ‘reasons’ have been proven bogus.  I’m not a paid killer.  If that’s the profession you chose, then you live with your conscience the rest of your life.  That’s how I dare.

How do you know what a person feels?!?  In the military, people put their lives on the line so others can be free at home. 

What a crock of baloney.  You get paid to practice war games and train to kill people.  What a profession.  And, if you were really ‘making us free’ it would be one thing.  This war hasn’t done CRAP to make anyone ‘free’.  Not even Iraqis.  They’re not the least bit free.  They can barely find a way to get groceries without being blown to bits because we came to their country and turned it into a hellhole.  Go sell your hero complex to someone else.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 07:57 am
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Ooh, Diane, that was a bit over the top even for me. 

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 10:52 AM It’s called honesty.  A rare commodity anymore, as is reason.  In Hitler’s Germany, most people blocked their minds from what was happening and it’s the same today in this country.  But people better do it before it’s too late.The military isn’t supposed to be a paid hit squad to promote the fortunes of companies like Halliburton, Boeing, and Exxon.  I RESENT my taxes going for that purpose.  And you should to.
diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:01 am
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too.

You want to get me going, just bring up the military and what they are being paid to do to Iraqis.  Would anyone like photos linked from our military hospitals where young people have been put in harm’s way for an immoral war, their skin burned off, their limbs gone...for WHAT????

Then we could look at the Iraqis and see what it’s done for them.

No, don’t get me going on this because I’m mad as you know what.  And it’s not a hatter.  I’m angry at how my country is being stolen by mindless, thoughtless, reasonless, goose stepping morons who march to the tune of the PNAC.  Give me back my country.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:04 am
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diane-  You are wrong.  I was there.  Want to see some pictures?

People are blown up here in the USA.  Mafia, gangs, criminals.  We all do our part.  I defend our Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.  You don’t have to appreciate what we do.  We know there are people like you.

And I have done other work for 57 cents an hour for children too, worked for crippled children and taught them.  I would be glad to help you understand how the NSA’s monitoring program works.  I did it all the time:http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/01/monitoring_09.html

I decided to defend my country.  I lived through the communist and protest times of misguided, "fonda-hayden types".  Our President told the truth.  He campaigned and was elected.  This is democrary.

China is not, North Korea is not, Cuba is not.  Take some time and attempt to talk freely in these countries, then come back and you will notice the difference.  I was in former communist countries.  Where have you lived or visited?  Let’s get some perspective here.

After we complete translating the thousands of pages, we will know more about Sadam’s connections with our enemy.  We already have plenty of facts with just a few translations.  This is a just war. 

Who do you think attacked us on 9/11/01?  Should we "understand" them?  Should we have done the same on 12/7/41?  Get real.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 08:17 am
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Diane I try to be very open minded to all points of view, I have even supported one of your rants once.

I have to point out when there is a glaring obvious error. The reason I am doing this now is that there may be a slim hope to get you to slow down and really think it through.

IT IS OUR COUNTRY, GET IT OURS, NOT YOURS. Try looking at the big picture just once please.

richard on April 28, 2006 at 08:21 am
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And another thing:  For four years, I’ve looked at faux patriots who couldn’t even point out Iraq on a world globe drive by me with American flags and yellow ribbons "Support The Troops" on their Hummers.  The most patriotic thing they’ve ever done is hand their hard earned money over to the IRS.  They’ve never met an Iraqi, know nothing about Islam, and are totally removed from everything they spout about.  They have been told Islam is bad, they’re rescuing Iraqis (bogus), Iran wants to get a nuclear weapon (because Israel does and we do and we’re on their doorstep killing Iraqis and they’re next on our agenda), and anything else Bush and the media fill their pea brains with.

 They haven’t read about our history with the Shah of Iran, Hussein, or anything else regarding the Middle East...they just parrot the party line (both parties) about the way things should be.  They are disgusting.  I do not support killing people who did nothing to us.   I do not support pre-emptive strikes on innocent civilian population such as the shock and awe bombings of Baghdad and slaughters in places like Fellujah, where people have no idea why we are there and were already just barely making it because of US/UN imposed sanctions, again for nothing they ever did. 

Someday, all of it will come full circle.  Someday there may be a world body strong enough to bring the US to task for what has been done/is being to Iraqis.  Someday the American people may finally be angry enough, possibly when gas prices go up another dollar, possibly when they look at their net income the next few years and lose their home and their liveliehoods...possibly when enough of their children don’t come home from Bush’s war or come home with parts missing....at some point, Americans may finally say ‘enough’.  But not until it hurts and hits them hard..and in the place Americans hold most dear, their pocketbooks.

Me, I’m just watching all of you sport your flags and your idiotic magnets and talk about how patriotic you are.  I go about my life and then come here and know that I am definitely on the right track.  I’m sure that you would have been the Germans who sang louder in your churches as the trains passed by. 

Honestly, I’m very detached from most Americans.  I consider them strangers, aliens, who have temporary control of my home.  I’ll let the circle come around and while it’s coming around, do all I can to protect my assets and my sanity.  (Cheesy insults not mandatory, I anticipate them so they really are a waste of your time).

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:25 am
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Back on topic: I predict that these protests will be about as effective as when Clinton shut down the govt during his regime: Life went on as usual.  We just don’t need illegal aliens here, and that will become apparent.

robert108 on April 28, 2006 at 08:28 am
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MIlitary person,

Perhaps you would like to tell me who did 9/11?  Was it a group of Saudi Arabian terrorists who were members of Al Qaeda?  How did they get enough technical skill and information to be able to pin point a tiny target in the middle of a huge city and, having done that, how did they accomplish having the buildings pancake down in a perfect planned demolition way.

If you are naive enough to believe that, then there’s just no use going any farther with you.

You chose your way in life as we all do.  And talking about ‘once we translate all these pages we’ll be able to find out what REALLY happened and what the link with Saddam was’, etc., etc., etc....do you really think that a person with any intelligence at all is going to buy into that.

You are a military clone.  Military people are brainwashed and boot camped and sell out to complete submission to the Commander in Chief.  We can’t take what you say seriously until you are deprogrammed.

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:29 am
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Diane you remind me of a bowling ball, you get picked up, fingered, thrown down the gutter and then amazingly enough you come back for more.

Hows that for an insult dumb ass. 

richard on April 28, 2006 at 08:33 am
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diane-  You are wrong.  I was there.  Want to see some pictures?

No.  My husband was shown some by someone ‘who was there’ as well and he came home sick to his stomach and never spoke to the ‘friend’ again.  They were photos of Iraqis in various states of death and dying and his friend in the National Guard was not sympathetic....that’s as descriptive as I’ll be about it. 

What you people do for a living is something that people who are repulsed by that sort of thing just can’t deal with. 

You don’t impress me, Chief, so don’t even try with your heroic ramblings.  Heroism is sometimes going against what you believe is wrong, what you know is wrong.  Heroism is sometimes standing alone and being called commie, leftie.

Richard, ‘our’ country isn’t something these NeoCONS believe at all.  No, Bush has made it theirs, not ours.    Mine was ‘ours’ when there was an ‘ours’.  They don’t want an ‘ours’.  They want a country where all of us goosestep.  Both parties.  ‘Our’ country, as we knew it, is gone.

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:35 am
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I predict that these protests will be about as effective as when Clinton shut down the govt during his regime: Life went on as usual.  We just don’t need illegal aliens here, and that will become apparent.

Dittos.  

We don’t need the government (outside of local police) and we don’t need criminals demanding better treatment.  If they think it’s so bad here, go home. 

FreeRepublicans.com on April 28, 2006 at 08:35 am
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Hows that for an insult dumb ass.

Weak, very, very weak.  Try harder, you tiny piece of life.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:36 am
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rob I am totally agianst what I am about to propose. I can not acually believe I am writing it so I am hoping you know just what mu conviction here is.

Can we not enact the JADEGOLD rule with Diane?

richard on April 28, 2006 at 08:36 am
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Yeah but the bowling ball thing was funnier than shit.

You really need to get laid lady, use some of that energy in a more positive way.

richard on April 28, 2006 at 08:39 am
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The Say Anything blog has a JADEGOLD rule, which presumably is banning people who have an opinion and the facts to back it and who ‘get to’ small minded people.

By all means, if that’s it, enforce it.  It would be an honor.  Or you could debate your points like men and women, instead of name-calling children. 

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:40 am
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Richard, I don’t have any plans to ban Diane or anyone else.

Jadegold was banned for making personal threats against me.  If Diane does something like that, or threatens other readers, she’ll be gone. 


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Rob on April 28, 2006 at 08:40 am
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You really need to get laid lady, use some of that energy in a more positive way.

One of those small minds ‘at work’.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:42 am
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Richard, I personally enjoyed the analogy.  Time to ignore.

hvywgt on April 28, 2006 at 08:45 am
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diane--  How about some pictures of the rapes in manchuko?  Or the 120 million innocent civilians that Joseph Stalin murdered?  Or the Armenians by Turkey.  I say again, get a perspective.

We are like policemen.  We do not "enjoy" killing anyone, but will defend ourselves when attacked.  Sorry that your perspective seems to have been painted by a neighbor who happens to be a veteran.  There are many, many more unlike him.  Try not to let one person cause you to be prejudiced or to stereotype all people by the actions of one.

Any just wars?  How about the Civil War in the US?  World War II?

Would you be in favor of the US entering the war against Germany?

What did they do to us?!  There were killings there, many.  Civilian killings, yes.  200,000 + civilians killed in Dresden alone. 

You are an American?  OK.  How about an easy question:  Have you given blood?

 http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/01/9-contributions.html

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 08:46 am
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Richard,

I believe you are not the only one who has come to that same sad conclusion.  As her rants have become ever more virulent and mindless, fewer and fewer others are willing to engage her in any sort of exchange.

I had thought that perhaps this weekend would be a good time to offer a post on the subject and let everyone else comment as extensively as they think necessary.

Every society, human or animal, provides itself with some mechanism for finally disposing of those it deems incorrigibly unfit to remain a part of that society.   I suggest that it might be time to examine that same option here.

Bat One on April 28, 2006 at 08:46 am
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Jadegold was banned for making personal threats against me.  If Diane does something like that, or threatens other readers, she’ll be gone.

Well, Richard, so much for that.  I’m not on the warmongering violent side of discussions, so you lose.  Guess I’ll be around awhile.

What about if other readers threaten Diane?  "Chief" is probably getting out the wiretapping kit.  What country is this, again?

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:49 am
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I figured that would be your response and rightly so, I know you did the JADEGOLD thing reluctantly and that is one of the reasons I come here.

It just that she so much sounds like him it is almost scary so I am sure that eventually you may be faced with the same decision.

You I can understnad anger, it is one of the purest forms of emotion, but I can not see anything that does not allow me to look at the whole picture. I imagine everybody that comes into contact Diane comes away wondering just what caues her to be so bitter, I guss that is the cross that she has to bear eh.

richard on April 28, 2006 at 08:52 am
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Chief,

There are just wars.  I never said there were not.  This is not one of them, in my opinion, and I have every right (or should have) to loudly and longly speak out against what I believe is wrong.  I have done many things that would be considered patriotic and caring to some, but to people like you they would be considered just the opposite.  I write letters, call my representatives, have visited nursing homes...how corny do you want me to get here?  I’m paying your salary.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:53 am
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’our’ country was one on the road to communism.  I have heard of ‘our’ place as well.  It is one in which 2% of the population attempts to dictate to the other 98% how they will talk, think and act.  That is facism.  Democracy exists by the vote of the majority.  We have finally been able to speak freely and educate those who have been brainwashed by the socialdemocrats.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 08:53 am
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Well, Chief, about half of us in this country voted against Bush in 2004.  And some of those who voted for him now are upset with him, and his poll ratings reflect that.  Truth is, your NeoCON world is crumbling so I’m guessing they’ll have to do something to make that change and that’s the scary part. 

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:55 am
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You I can understnad anger, it is one of the purest forms of emotion, but I can not see anything that does not allow me to look at the whole picture. I imagine everybody that comes into contact Diane comes away wondering just what caues her to be so bitter, I guss that is the cross that she has to bear eh.

You really enjoy kissing up, don’t you, Little Richard.  "Rob, I agree....." LOL

No, actually Ricihard, when I’m around sane people, they come away thinking, "What a hottie; not only a hottie but a really smart and funny hottie."

LOL...that should elicit some interesting ‘responses’.

See you later.

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 08:57 am
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You have not attempted to establish a construct, the word NeoCON.  Please define it.

About half attempts to deminish the largest majority ever in the history of the US, but those are the ‘rules’ that we go by here.

Now, thanks for acknowledging just wars.  Yes, you, and I have a right to our opinions thanks to our independence from England won by the Revolutionary war fought by National Guardsmen.  I paid my own salary.  I venture that I also paid more to the IRS than you did.

I applaud your patriotism by not joining the anarchists.  I, too, write my congressmen, campaign for their election(s) and support causes.  It seems that we just disagree on one location.  Is that true?  Just want to be sure you don’t oppose the other 75+ locations we are stationed:

http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/01/9-contributions.html

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 09:05 am
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diane: You have accomplished your goal: You are an irritant and an annoyance.  No more than that.

robert108 on April 28, 2006 at 09:10 am
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 "Chief" is probably getting out the wiretapping kit.  What country is this, again?   I just saw this.  Is this what the certain people do?  This is an example of false accusations not much different from false accusations in the MSM lately. 

diane-  Take this back.  This is an example of a smear.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 09:11 am
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Oh goodness, this I have to respond to before my exit stage left until possibly tonight:

First though, Chief, I am going to pay you a compliment.  I had no idea you were not actual paid full-time military, so I apologize for saying i pay your salary in the way I meant it prior.  However, you may not be paying more taxes than our family; either way, we’re both paying too much because of an immoral ware, messy Welfare laws, and a host of other crap.

Now this:

Bat One:  Grow up.  I’m a woman who is intelligent and says things in a way that ticks you off.  Dont’ get into this silly ‘a number of us have been.....no one responds’.....knit one, pearl two....ladies who lunch… idiotic garble.

You could have ignored me, you or anyone else, at any time.  So shut up, grow up and ignore me if you don’t like what I say, can’t handle it, or (the real truth) have no decent rebuttal.

Or behave like Chief and talk to me like a normal person and you’ll find I’ll respond in kind once I find out you have any that resembles manners or brains.

Chief, I apppreciate your attitude and I will tone down my responses to you accordingly.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 09:13 am
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 "Chief" is probably getting out the wiretapping kit.  What country is this, again?   I just saw this.  Is this what the certain people do?  This is an example of false accusations not much different from false accusations in the MSM lately. 

diane-  Take this back.  This is an example of a smear.

As per my comments on you above, I’ll indeed take it back.  You deserve better because you have shown me some respect.  I apologize. 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 09:15 am
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Chief, the question you ask is just like: "when was the last time you beat your wife?"  Silly question, not worth the time to answer.

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 09:15 am
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diane--  I’ll post this for you to read tomorrow. 

Let’s please ask questions instead of making statements and waiting for others to correct.  For the record, I just retired in December and had the formal ceremony last month.  I had 36+ years total time with 9+ years full-time on Active Duty activations/exercises.  I was in Iraq in 2004 for about 4+ months.

I agree with you about the welfare.  I was glad when the Republicans took over the house in 1994.  They began to dismantle the ‘give-away’ welfare program and slowly replaced it with ‘workfare’.  I saw too many children and parents doing nothing and expecting others to pay their way.  I am not in favor of railroads, bridges, or roads to ‘nowhere’.

Thanks for the ‘defacto’ apology.  I have been reading your posts for a month or so and today was a good day to engage in conversation.

I look forward to finding other mutual agreement positions.

A direct question:  Is Iraq the only location that you currently object to?

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 09:22 am
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Puzzle--  What?  Which question is a double-bind?

Engage.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 09:25 am
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Chief...I admire you so much! You are a good man. I apologize for people like her. You have a high threshold for tolerating garbage like that. God bless you man!

Zsa Zsa on April 28, 2006 at 09:47 am
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"Diane"

First of all, I have been ignoring you, as have a number of others, although you are obviously too self-absorbed to have noticed.  The reason is simply that aside from your modest assortment of petty insults and mindless ranting, you have nothing to offer.   No new perspectives on anything, no suggested solutions to any of the real problems or issues discussed here, no new facts of interest, no attempts at any sort of meaningful dialogue or genuine exchange of ideas.  Just a steady stream of tedious tantrums and adolescent insults.

Talk to you like a normal person?  Why?  In the first place you’re clearly not a normal person.  And in the second place you have yet to demonstrate that you have anything of substance to offer in exchange.  Hell, I’ve shot better persons than you.  And lost almost no sleep over it.

Diane, when you get beyond the childish notion that yours is the only opinion that counts, that everyone who disagrees with you is a lower life form, and that the only proper way to deal with those persons is to insult the hell outta them, when you finally have something more substantive to offer than "Diane"" then maybe others will start to pay you some attention.  But in the meantime, please don’t expect any more interest from me.  You’re really not worth the effort.

Bat One on April 28, 2006 at 09:51 am
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Chief, you asked me this question that I found ridiculous:  "Do you agree that union types can or should be able to beat up, intimidate, damage other people and their property?"  This is asking if I condone criminal behavior.  I don’t think you have any reason to ask me this question.  I have never posted anything that would give you rise to ask me this question.  It is, in fact, quite insulting. 

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 09:59 am
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Hottie huh. That pussy would have to be golden for me to get by your fucking mouth.

Have nice day Diane.

richard on April 28, 2006 at 10:02 am
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Zsa Zsa,  Thanks, and as you may have noticed, we do agree on several points.  I do try to engage in converations and attempt to exchange philosophical ideas.  Sometimes a person is truly, on drugs, but this apparently and thankfully is not the case.  At other times, conversations are blocked by prejuduce.  Looks are one of them, as are preconceived notions based on one or two exchanges.

I have heard some of the points she made.  Many times, it is a repeat that others have said.  Lately they have been over the WMDs that were not found in Iraq, but obviously used on the Kurds.  There were ten reasons that were presented to the people why we were going to war.  Many people only concentrate on one of them.

I enjoy reading the economic statistics and philosophy on WILLisms.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 10:03 am
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Bat One...Well said!

Zsa Zsa on April 28, 2006 at 10:05 am
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Puzzle-  It was a reply to the NEA/AFL-CIO comment and reply.

Probably the wrong thread to discuss this, but the question of the ‘good union’ is a reasonable one.  You have heard that unions do defend their right to do just what I typed, don’t you?  I was fortunate to have chosen a right to work state where I was free to work without giving any of my hard earned money to corrupt union officials and then see them use it to attempt to elect people that I disagree with.  That is an example of un-democratic facism.

I will try to find the more accurate Q and A that led up to this question.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 10:24 am
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Chief… Of all the people in the world I have discussed my views of gay marriage with. You are the one who was most persuasive. You deserve much respect in my opinion. I admire you and am so ashamed of people like diane. I want you to know that I appreciate you and our troops. You are the kindest most thoughtful person quite possibly in the entire blogsphere. You did not deserve to be treated so badly. AND, you know exactly how to win me over by also being a WILLisms. fan! I just hope you know that not everyone is like her.

Zsa Zsa on April 28, 2006 at 10:31 am
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Zsa Zsa,

Thank you! 

Bat One on April 28, 2006 at 10:40 am
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Chief, here is my problem with you broad brushstroking that you did in your last post.  What if I were to write the same kind of broad mischaracterizations of the military that you wrote about unions.  It is no more fair to write about the military in the terms that Diane has written or calling all military people killers or abusers or worse based on a few rotten apples than what you have written about unions. 

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 10:50 am
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Bat One...Thank you!

Zsa Zsa on April 28, 2006 at 10:52 am
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Puzzle-  The broad brush you refer to about unions-- I would love to debate.  In general, they are well connected with organized crime.  Robert Kennedy finally went after the connection in the 60s and got some convictions.  Louis Freeh went after the five families and just about cleaned house after the earlier 90s arrest and release the middle men.    The NEA/union is not as bad as some of the others, but does go after people who want to work for a living.  Your point is taken, but notice that I have engaged in a civil debate.  So, cut to the chase.  Do you favor unions or not?

If you were to type that military men did this or that, I would question you on specifics.  I would not say that you were planning on doing X.

I will clarify.  When I say unions, I mean the idea and leadership of them.  I do not mean their workers, unless they engage in the type of documented crimes such as the Joseph Yablonski killings by the UMW.

 

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 12:30 pm
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Zsa Zsa,  Thanks.  My position on "gay marriage" is that it is up to the states to vote to allow this novel idea.  This issue was really visited when Utah was admitted to the union.  They were not to sanction marriages of more than one man and one woman.  All the talk about "rights" to marry are heterophobic.  They are afraid to attempt an intimate relationship with a member of the opposite sex.  They may have been raped by one at an early age, or had an abusive "partner".

These people can do all those things except collect social security for a surviving wife.  That law was created in the 1930s and can be changed, but they know it will not be, so they tried to get two judges in MA to create some right to marry.  Nice try.  Now the states are passing constitutional amendments stating the definition of marriage.  We have one coming up in SC in November.  We will see what the people say.

Chief RZ on April 28, 2006 at 12:44 pm
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Chief, I absolutley believe in and support unions and I am in a union.

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 12:47 pm
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Traitors, California Senate backs May 1st, Protests by illegal aliens.

These 24 California Senators  are Domestic Enemies.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0101-0150/scr_113_bill_20060418_introduced.htm

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Chief, Puzzle worked for a union for several decades and had her pockets lined by lots and lots of union dues.  The union folks enjoy the monopolies certain laws afford them (like the fact that businesses have to negotiate with unions formed by employees, which is a violation of the business owner’s free association rights...but who cares right?) and they aren’t going to let go of them easily.

Thankfully union enrollment has been declining for years now, and even the unions’ last bastion (the teacher’s unions) seems to be faltering under pressure from parents who are sick and tired of poor education from teachers who have nothing but excuses. 


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on April 28, 2006 at 01:05 pm
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Geesh, Rob, I’m not that old. "decades"?. If we are declining, Rob, then don’t spend so much time on us. Find me where in the constituition a business has free association rights Rob. And you’re right Rob, I don’t care.

And the parents have no responsibility for their children’s education, like working with the child, making sure the homework gets done, that they get fed before they get to school, that they don’t abuse the child, that the child doesn’t have to worry about getting shot on the way to school, that they make sure that the student doesn’t bring a knife or a gun to school.  Oh yeah right Rob, those are just excuses. 

Puzzlefeet on April 28, 2006 at 02:03 pm

Find me where in the constituition a business has free association rights Rob.

Yeah Rob. Where in the Constitution do you have free association rights? How dare you question the double standard.

And you’re right Rob, I don’t care.

We know. That’s obvious. You have the same mindset of a mafia thug where there is one set of rules for you, and another set for everybody else. Why would you care?

likwidshoe on April 28, 2006 at 02:09 pm
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P: Those parents are probably union members with a long history of being subsidized by businessmen and the rest of the working population;  they are used to being "entitled".

robert108 on April 28, 2006 at 02:12 pm

Oh, and don’t bring up the fact that unions operate and act like businesses. Puzzlefeet doesn’t care.

likwidshoe on April 28, 2006 at 02:17 pm
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Chief, now that I have apologized to you (defacto or not), could you persuade some of your friends to do the same for me.  I truly doubt it. 

If I were the only one being slurred, I’d accept that my rudeness to these warmongering sons of guns was something unique and due to my approach, but I’ve seen them curse and toss the most vile comments at anything and anyone who disagrees with them.

Of course I know many of my comments have been said here already (nothing new under the sun) but I’m hoping they are said in such a way that they cause a visceral reaction since a mental one is obviously impossible for most here.  And, of course, they are and they have.

Zsa, I’m glad you’re ‘ashamed of Diane’.  Because Diane is not only ashamed of you, she’s repulsed by your crawling and boot licking of any White man who represents an ‘authority figure’ to you. 

Bat One, how’s the knitting/gossip circles of ladies this afternoon.  Your crumpets fresh?  LOL

Puzzle-  The broad brush you refer to about unions-- I would love to debate.  In general, they are well connected with organized crime. 

I love the photo of Bush with Abramahoff (sp...not going to look it up..no time to for spelling bees of an afternoon break)..and then denying any association.  Have you read of the Bush family history during Hitler’s time?  Shall I go on?  Politicians and organized crime have been married since time immemorial.  How many of the administration’s people are now under indictment and/or being ‘looked at’ for possible wrongdoing?  I’ve lost count.

Let’s see, what else did you ask?  Oh, is it only Iraq I’m bothered about?  No, but it’s what I am most bothered about because it’s where we’re doing the most horrendous and vicious deeds currently.  I tend to focus on the major problem and not deviate until that’s taken care of.  That is the current ‘death hot spot’ courtesy of the U.S.

P.S.  Zsa, if you’re a good girl, the Chief might allow you to clean his boots.  Lady, you have so many problems that any peceived problems by you of mine should be overlooked until you work through that ‘daddy complex’. 

 

diane on April 28, 2006 at 02:30 pm
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"Diane"

First of all, I have been ignoring you, as have a number of others, although you are obviously too self-absorbed to have noticed.  The reason is simply that aside from your modest assortment of petty insults and mindless ranting, you have nothing to offer.   No new perspectives on anything, no suggested solutions to any of the real problems or issues discussed here, no new facts of interest, no attempts at any sort of meaningful dialogue or genuine exchange of ideas.  Just a steady stream of tedious tantrums and adolescent insults.

Talk to you like a normal person?  Why?  In the first place you’re clearly not a normal person.  And in the second place you have yet to demonstrate that you have anything of substance to offer in exchange.  Hell, I’ve shot better persons than you.  And lost almost no sleep over it.

Diane, when you get beyond the childish notion that yours is the only opinion that counts, that everyone who disagrees with you is a lower life form, and that the only proper way to deal with those persons is to insult the hell outta them, when you finally have something more substantive to offer than "Diane"" then maybe others will start to pay you some attention.  But in the meantime, please don’t expect any more interest from me.  You’re really not worth the effort.

Bat One on April 28, 2006 at 12:51 PM "Bat One"LOLCrumpet, dear?
diane on April 28, 2006 at 03:21 pm
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See, gang, it has nothing and is nothing. PF ain’t much either.

TwoHotel9 on April 28, 2006 at 04:38 pm
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Oh, boy..boy.....Room 63 wants extra pillows.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 04:43 pm
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See?

TwoHotel9 on April 28, 2006 at 04:54 pm
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Si.

diane on April 28, 2006 at 05:28 pm
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Intimidation? All this folks have done is manage to piss me off about this more than I was before they marched.  Trying to shut down the USA is not as easy as it would be to shut down what they are used to...Mexico!

I’m telling ya, time to ‘round ‘em up and move ‘em out!

 

Bug on May 1, 2006 at 12:48 pm
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WETBACK on May 7, 2006 at 05:49 pm
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The question is"Who is rounding people up?", if they are in fact being rounded up. It would be easy to fake uniforms and badges,stolen or rented vehicles would suffice. So, if true, who is doing it? And are they legal citizens?

TwoHotel9 on May 8, 2006 at 06:05 pm
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