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Sunday, January 29, 2006

Smooching A Commie

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Sheehan Kissing Chavez

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (L) greets U.S activist Cindy Sheehan as he arrives at the meeting with World Social Forum Organizations in Caracas, Venezuela January 27, 2006. REUTERS/Jorge Silva

You know what's amazing to me? When Cindy Sheehan returns to America the price for her outspoken opposition to the Bush administration in a foreign country while standing next to someone who is, by no means, a friend of this country will be nothing outside of some scorn from a few of her fellow Americans. As a citizen of this country she has a right to travel freely and engage in free speech.

Yet what do you think would happen if Sheehan were a citizen of Venezuela who traveled to Washington D.C. to speak out against Hugo Chavez while standing next to President Bush? I'm fairly certain that, upon arriving back home in Venezuela, she'd receive a visit from the police. If they'd even let her back in the country.

That's one thing that never ceases to amaze me about these lefty demonstrators. A lot of them are unrepentant socialists. They carry around the Communist Manifesto and pledge their allegiance to people like Che Guevera and Chairman Mao and then tell the rest of us that they have the right to do these things because of the free speech gaurantee in our first amendment. And they're correct. They do have that right. But what they don't tell you is that, were they to get their way and bring about the socialist revolution they're always carping about, the right to free speech would not likely survive.

Free speech, specifically free political speech, did not exist in Chairman Mao's China. It doesn't exist in Castro's Cuba. It most certainly didn't exist in Stalin's Soviet Union and it has never existed in North Korea under Kim Jong-il's reign. Nor would it have existed in any regime where the left-wing idol Che Guevera had a hand in running things.

And yet we still have these idiot, left-wing protesters espousing socialism as though it were the cure to all of our ills. We have college professors idolizing Guevera and Castro and openly displaying the hammer and sickle flag. If ever there were a group of people who needed to heed the warning "Be careful what you wish for lest you receive it," it is the American socialists.

I'll even go so far as to say that the little "s" socialists in our midst, the ones who would consistently advocate for higher taxes and more government entitlement programs aimed at redistributing our wealth according to the whims of those in power, are putting us on a path toward a totalitarian state. Whether a socialist state be brought about by revolution, as the leftist/socialist radicals want, or brought about by a slow usurpation of our personal liberties by modern liberals and Democrats matters not. For any move toward socialism is a move toward totalitarianism and oppression.

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Hey, Capt, we usually cut the host a little slack. He throws a lot of posts and is usually in a hurry. As for the post, you got to think her ex-husband is hoping she will marry Hugo. Then he could stop paying for her stupid shit that he, nor her dead son, agrees with.

2Hotel9 on January 29, 2006 at 03:01 pm
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Umm, it’s totalitarian, not toltalitarian.  Other than that you’re 100% correct and Saint Cindy is a useful idiot of the highest order.

Captain Ned on January 29, 2006 at 03:01 pm
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Thanks Captain Ned.  My big problem is that there is no longer a spell check plugin for Firefox any more and the spell plugin I had for the Wordpress installation had to be uninstalled as it was causing problems with page loads.

I appreciate it when people notice my mistakes and correct me.


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Rob on January 29, 2006 at 03:02 pm
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Words can’t express my negative opinions about Cindy Sheehan.  I’ll stop now before I say something that makes me look crazy.

Jason on January 29, 2006 at 04:01 pm
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She seems willing to do just about anything to stay in the limelight.  She, as an American, is free to make a fool of herself (in my opinion).  The point I have just made is that people from these communist or facist countries would not be free to do the same.  Look what happened to Sadam’s relative.

Chief RZ on January 29, 2006 at 04:02 pm
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Given the chance, do you think she would kiss Osama Bin Laden?  Or not?

Marty on January 29, 2006 at 05:01 pm
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Uggg .... Hugo .. you’re a powerful man in your country, surely you must have some standards in the selection of your smootching partners.  How drunk do you have to be to kiss that!!!

gilbyguy on January 29, 2006 at 05:02 pm
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Only if she was on camera.

Jason on January 29, 2006 at 05:02 pm
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A better title would have A Commie Smooching A Commie. She’s no less of a communist that Hugo.

bullwinkle on January 29, 2006 at 06:01 pm
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Power corrupts, Graeme.  The more power you give the government the more thoroughly it corrupts.  The only true protection against dictatorships are individual liberties embraced by an armed citizenry not willing to give them back.

Unfortunately, socialists sing the siren song of “Free Health Care!  Free Prescription Drugs!  Etc.!” and get citizens to give up their personal liberties and responsibilities to the government.

As I said in the post, whether we’re going down the road to socialism one tiny entitlement at a time or racing down the road via “the revolution” it all ends at the same place: Oppression a totalitarianism.

It is an ugly truth, but it is high time you recognized that socialism never, ever works.


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Rob on January 29, 2006 at 08:01 pm
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I notice you only mention the worst examples of “socialism.” Real socialists have been the most vocal critics of limiting free speech and the bueracratic regimes you mention.When Marx heard about violent revolutionary groups calling themselves “marxists” he said “if that’s marxism, I’m not a marxist.” Trotsky predicted the fall of the soviets years before it happened. Castro is so paranoid from the ton of assassination attempts, he has pretty much gone crazy. Hopefully Castro’s paranioa doesn’t rub off on Chavez (it doesn’t help when prominent american figures call for his assassination)

I don’t think freedom of speech necessarily goes hand and hand with capitalism. I credit mass social movements (unions, womens rights groups, anti-slavery groups, civil rights groups etc....) in general for protecting our precious freedom of speech. Maybe even Ann Coulter and Howard Stern even thought I am not a fan of either.

There has been plenty examples of democratic socialist countries that have suceeded (of course they call them social democracies) Western Europe, Canada and even some policies in the US are socialist policies. The word socialism has been demonized due to the oppresive regimes. No serious person is advocating for mao or soviet style planned economy. Mixed economies have proved to work best. The issue at hand is how far right or left is the mix.

A system of government is only as good as the people who run it. Whether the government is a capitalist or socialist one, it won’t change who the person is. The fact that a lot of murderous assholes attached themseves to an ideology doesn’t necessarily mean the ideology is the problem. We don’t blame Christ for the crusades, yet marx seems to get the blame for the soviets, chinese and various other regimes. While mao’s economic ineptitude is often brought up (and rightfully so) by people, similar criticisms or comparisons,like Amartya Sens’s criticism of India’s poverty caused by elite capitalism, go unnoticed. That doesn’t excuse mao’s horrible acts, but why is the economic system we subscribe to immune to criticism?

Anyway, today you are automatically pegged as a crazy leftist if you express concerns about the growing power of multi-national corporations. I think it is a legitimate concern. Yes, I read Chomsky books, but I also read up on Adam Smith and I have Atlas shrugged on my list to read as well. I like to listen to different opinions and challenge my beliefs.(that is why i visit this site a lot) I think it was Adam Smith who said “whenever two business men get together they conspire against the public” I think that if businesses profit off of the laws in my democracy, I should have some say about their actions.

that is my two cents anyway

graemea on January 29, 2006 at 08:02 pm
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gramaema: Probably without realizing it, you confuse what you call “capitalism” with the free enterprise system. The sentence you lifted from Adam Smith refers to businesspeople being able to collude instead of being in competition with each other, something that is made possible, along with multinational corporations, by govt regulations and support.  The reason so many of historys “violent assholes” have been socialists is that, with its centralization of power and control over the economic system, it is a “natural” for a dictatorial leader.  It is much harder to sieze power over free people making free choices.  As for free speech, lefties have been all for free speech for themselves, while acting to deny it to those who disagree with them.  How often does the MSM let us know what the Neo-Nazis are saying, for example.  The Neo-Nazis represent the real “right-wing extremeists”, but the MSM keeps characterizing Republicans and Conservatives that way.  Free speech?  Seems like censorship to me.  Personally, I don’t much care what the Neo-Nazis have to say, but neither do I care about what the leftie fringe groups have to say, like the DNC.  Oh, well!  Socialists are good at promoting their own, but don’t care much for diversity of opinion, IMO.
BTW, if you don’t want businesses to “profit off the laws in this country”, then I suggest you get the govt out of business, as much as possible.  Maybe they could make things more favorable for everyone to do business, not just their special interest groups. It’s not socialism, but it might just work.

robert108 on January 29, 2006 at 10:01 pm
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Graeme, we are already seeing a drop in Venezuela’s agricultural production, this is tied directly to the nationalization of land. You will see the manufacturing capacity drop as well. Socialist collectivism always lowers the overall standard of living. Perfect example, Mugabe nationalized ag and industry in Mozambique, a country that just 5 years ago was exporting food, they now have shortages and are begging the international aid agencies for assistance. Cuba, an island nation in the middle of a rich fishing region has to import fish and other seafood. Why? Their benevolent leader wont let them have boats to fish. Why? They will use them to leave his wonderful country. And lets us look at European socialist countries. Hell, lets not. It is simply depressing. You like socialism? Go to a socialist contry and be happy. Do not attempt to drag others into your nightmare. We have all seen the results of socialism, your unwillingness to accept reality is sad.

2Hotel9 on January 30, 2006 at 03:02 am
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I take that back.  Isn’t that a bit unfair.  Or Isn’t that a bit elitest.  There can be poor people of any race.

The Whistler on January 30, 2006 at 01:01 pm
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Rob said:

Unfortunately, socialists sing the siren song of “Free Health Care! Free Prescription Drugs! Etc.!” and get citizens to give up their personal liberties and responsibilities to the government.

Universal or nationalized health care is a way to protect citizens, just like the military protects us.  For many people, access to adequate health care is a right - something every person in a civilized world should be guaranteed.  Without your health, how can you practice your other essential liberties like free speech or voting?

And I will gladly, eagerly, and hastily give up my “freedom” to argue about my insurance bill with the company and the hospitals any day of the week, believe me.

Of course, by your logic, a national military is a bad thing and we should rely on personally-paid for militias and mercenaries to provide us security - otherwise, we’re just mooching off an inneficient government and wasting our tax dollars, right?

Ryan G on January 30, 2006 at 01:01 pm
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For many people, access to adequate health care is a right - something every person in a civilized world should be guaranteed.

Isn’t that a bit racist?  According to your philosophy shouldn’t people in the uncivilized world have the same right?

The Whistler on January 30, 2006 at 01:02 pm
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Ryan G: National Defense is the govt’s responsibility, one of the few things that should be done by govt.  Personal defense is the responsibility of the community(cops) or the individual.  Your health is your responsibility, not everyone else’s. Get the govt out of healthcare and it will become affordable due to market forces.  If you take good care of yourself, you won’t need much, and you can buy a real insurance policy, based on real risk, for the unforseen catastrophe. Duh!

robert108 on January 30, 2006 at 02:01 pm
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Ryan G says, For many people, access to adequate health care is a right - something every person in a civilized world should be guaranteed.

Rights aren’t something that you can demand from someone else Ryan. Rights are inherent.

likwidshoe on January 30, 2006 at 02:02 pm
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Notice the market has left it to the people to decide whether they can have an Honda or a Mercedes.  Imagine that the lowly people can actually make a decision.

The Whistler on January 30, 2006 at 03:01 pm
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Get the govt out of healthcare and it
will become affordable due to market forces.

Sure, but that would mean all those rich doctors would have to trade in their Mercedes and have to start driving Honda’s like the rest of us.  They’d rather pay their lobbyists to make sure that never happens.  In the longrun, it’s worth the expense.

Marty on January 30, 2006 at 03:01 pm
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Marty: It’s good to see a cynical leftie admit that the govt distorts markets to the disadvantage of “the people”.

robert108 on January 30, 2006 at 06:01 pm
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[...] Had it been up to me I’m not sure I would even have let her in.  This woman was just down in Venezuela kissing a man who is not a friend to this country.  She stood next to that man and called our President an illegitimate leader and a terrorist.  This woman was no spectator, she was a security threat. Of course, now she’ll be martyred.  Her apologists will cripe about the “crushing of dissent” and the violation of her free speech rights.  Which is total nonsense, of course.  Cindy Sheehan gets plenty of opportunities to speak her mind.  She’s been in the headlines for months now.  Tonight was not her night to make a statement.  Tonight was the President’s turn, and she had no right to be disruptive. [...]

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[...] And this guy probably hadn’t even visited a South American communist leader and called the President an illegitimate leader and a terrorist The police made the right decision in removing Sheehan last night, just as they made the right decision in removing the man above.  We all have the right to free speech, but none of us have the right to disrupt public proceedings.  Some on the left will undoubtedly go to bat for Sheehan, but I think sometimes we all just need to recognize that certain types of behavior are unacceptable no matter how you try to justify them. [...]

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[...] But one thing I’ve found especially troubling in recent coverage of Sheehan and many of her far-left, anti-war brethren in general (as though the stupidity that goes into equating a democratically elected leader whose policies you disagree with to a terrorist weren’t troubling enough) is the way their outright devotion to things like socialism and communism is routinely covered up. Nearly every major anti-war rally in recent times has been either outright sponsored by a socialist group (like the Communist Worker’s Party, etc.) or is at least participated in by groups of the same ilk. People on the ground at these events can testify to the overwhelming amount of communist propaganda and symbolism on display, and we’re all familiar with the fetish many of America’s college students and professors have for Che Guevara. Even Sheehan herself was seen smooching the socialist protege of communist dictator Fidel Castro. [...]

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