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If Abramoff flips, Sen. Dorgan may prove to be one of the small fish caught in the next. Rep. Tom Delay (R-TX), Rep. Dennis Hastert (R -IL), and Rep. Doc Hastings (R-WA) may be doing perp walks for infractions far worse than Dorgan.

I’m not suggesting that Democrat’s aren’t corrupt---they are, of course, but slightly less corrupt than the Bush regime.

yap-yap! “Byron Dorgan!”, yap-yap! “Byron Dorgan!”

Understand I’m just guessing here, Rob, but I think your pal Tom DeLay may be just a teensy-weensy bit more closely connected to Abramoff than Dorgan. But you somehow forgot to mention Delay in your post didn’t ya? How about good ole Bob Ney from Ohio? Name ring a bell with ya Robby? Try a few more: J.D Hayworth, Dennis Hastert.

Yeah, Abramoff’ll be singing alright, but I’m not sure you and your wingnut buddies will like his tune a whole lot!

So long as this is a clean prosecution, I don’t care what party the crooks are affiliated with. My view is get them all the hell out of office.

Wow. Don Myers and mcair sure are insulting without saying much.

Abramoff has been in bed with a long string of Dems, going back 25 years. Follow the money is going to burn many people on both sides of the aisle.

Abramoff and Scanlon and Kidan are all making plea deals. I am wondering if this will be swept under the rug.
What kind of deal do you get for conspiracy to murder?

Prosecutors alleged that Abramoff and Kidan faked a wire transfer of $23 million—the down payment they had agreed to put into the deal. The $23 million became the subject of a dispute between the Abramoff group and Boulis.

Boulis was killed in a gangland-style hit in Fort Lauderdale on Feb. 6, 2001. Three men—Anthony Moscatiello, Anthony Ferrari and James Fiorillo—were charged last month in the Boulis murder. Kidan had hired Moscatiello and Ferrari to provide catering and surveillance services to SunCruz.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120802232.html

And kids, Dorgan’s problems go much deeper than Abramoff. Can you say corruption at Bureau of Indian Affairs? I knew you could! Can you say Casino Gambling on Reservations? I knew you could! Can you say Petroleum Resources exploitation on Tribal Lands while not putting the money into Tribal Accounts? I knew you could!

Abramoff and Scanlon and Kidan are all making plea deals

The (jail)birds they are a-singin’! Delay, Hastert, Ney - hoo-boy that’s a long list o’ GOP a-holes a puckerin’!

Hotel: Is the FBI looking at Dorgan? Or is it maybe some BS distraction that’s being pushed by the GOP and their media friends?

mcair:

The (jail)birds they are a-singin’! Delay, Hastert, Ney - hoo-boy that’s a long list o’ GOP a-holes a puckerin’!

It is always fascinating when a partisan thinks his side is incapable of evil.  I’ll enjoy watching the fireworks.

That’s all I’m saying.

The investigation into irregularities at BoIA is ongoing, and includes the FBI,GAO, and of all people Federal Enviro enforcement agencies. Your fairhaired boy has his pecker in the payroll and lots of people have been calling for criminal prosecutions, not just Repubs.

There are going to be some politicians in Washington swallowing pretty hard at this news, my own Senator Dorgan not the least among them.

Dorgan accepted legal campaign contributions from Indiant tribes, as he has for years.  When he found out the Indian tribes donated the money to him last year because Abramoff recommended it, he returned the money.

Where’s the foul?  He didn’t know the money came from Abramoff.  When he found out, he gave it back.

Your proposition that he did something wrong hinges on the fact that he knew the money was coming from Abramoff - a fairly wild speculation.

He did know the money came from Abramoff, Dorgan has acknowledge that he took money from employees of Abramoff’s firm.  It doesn’t get much more direct than that.  The only speculation here is your saying that Dorgan didn’t know the money came from Abramoff.

You know, Ryan, just because somebody is a Democrat doesn’t mean you have to support everything they do.  Some things are just wrong, regardless of which political party is involved.  This whole Abramoff thing is a mess.  Democrats, including Dorgan, have been in the pockets of tribal casinos for years.  Abramoff just diverted some of that money to Republicans.  This really should be a bi-partisan issue, but I guess people like you have to protect your man.

Understand I’m just guessing here, Rob, but I think your pal Tom DeLay may be just a teensy-weensy bit more closely connected to Abramoff than Dorgan. But you somehow forgot to mention Delay in your post didn’t ya?

Well, Tom DeLay isn’t my Senator, so I guess I’m a bit more concerned with the guy who is representing me in Congress.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob: Understand that accepting cash from a contributor is common practise; it’s the under-the-table stuff that follows that’s the problem.

Case in point: Duke Cunningham. He documented all the usual dinners bought, transportation provided etc, whilst hiding the boats, antiques, houses that were the true payoff.

That’s what the prosecutors are after in the Abramoff case - honest-to-goodness corruption. Dorgan taking money from Abramoff directly doesn’t meet that standard.

Abramoff was part and parcel of Delay’s K-street project to eliminate Democrats from the lobbyist trough; he was quite successful. The emerging Abramoff scandal(s) are very much a GOP issue, although the RNC and it’s spinners are attempting to limit the damage by portraying it as a bipartisan problem.

In a few months we’ll count the indictments/convictions and see which of us is correct.

Numbers of indictment are not an indication of who is right. Conviction is the only measure of guilt.

[...] I posted on this before, I’m glad to see that its going to happen.  A WASHINGTON lobbyist at the heart of a Capitol Hill bribery investigation is ready to give evidence against Republican politicians, setting the stage for an explosive corruption scandal involving President George W. Bush’s party. [...]

Numbers of indictment are not an indication of who is right. Conviction is the only measure of guilt.

Agreed. Care to put money on any Democrat being convicted? Care to do the same for Republicans?

Thought not!

Dems don’t get convicted, have you not been paying attention. Republicans, when caught doing wrong, get convicted. Dems,when caught doing wrong scream"Partisan Attack”, then change the subject, while allowing lower level supporters to get burned. See how that works?

Dems don’t get convicted, have you not been paying attention. Republicans, when caught doing wrong, get convicted. Dems,when caught doing wrong scream”Partisan Attack”, then change the subject, while allowing lower level supporters to get burned. See how that works?

Boo Hoo! Poor innocent Republicans - always the victim! Ha-ha! Hey Hotel - got any facts? (failing that, any sense?)

you need to work on that reading, mcairhead.

Latest revelations in DeLay/Abramoff corruption probe. Funny, I don’t see any mention of Byron Dorgan…

Maybe that’s because the focus of the article was on one specific group and its connections to Tom DeLay?

Do you honestly think that, because Dorgan wasn’t mentioned in this specific Post article, he’s exonnerated?

Give me a break.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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The point is, whatever Dorgan’s connection to Abramoff, it’s small pototoes compared to DeLay’s shenanigans. In this instance, it appears that DeLay may be counting russian oil & gas executives among his many donors, in exchange for favorable legislation for russian oil/gas companies.

Tom DeLay is the leader of the House of Representatives. Isn’t he supposed to represent the needs of the United States? Where’s your outrage (or thread at the very least)? We know Republicans are eager to make this appear to be a bi-partisan scandal, but it clearly impacts the GOP to a far greater degree. I’ll look forward to your follow-up threads as this story develops.

Hey mccair, Tom DeLay is not my Senator...so obviously I’m more concered with Dorgan since he represents me in Congress.

If Tom DeLay is guilty of what he is charged with then I hope prosecuted, convicted and kicked out of the GOP.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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The great Republican Purge is coming.

Liberals, Criminals, and the Corrupt will all be expelled.

Hey mccair, Tom DeLay is not my Senator…so obviously I’m more concered with Dorgan since he represents me in Congress.

Your original thread linked to the growing Abramoff scandal, and you focus on Dorgan - by any measure a minor player in the story - because he’s the convenient Democrat that you hope will deflect attention away from the primary benefactors of Abramoff’s operation - leading lights in the GOP. DeLay, Blunt, Reed, Norquist...Jack spread the casino money far and wide.

Jack Abramoff - the gold-standard of Bush “Pioneers”.