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Thursday, December 08, 2005

Hecklers Stop Coulter From Speaking

Here's a story that is, sadly, becoming all too familiar.

STORRS, Conn. - Conservative columnist Ann Coulter gave up trying to finish a speech at the University of Connecticut on Wednesday night when boos and jeers from the audience became overwhelming.

Coulter cut off the talk after 15 minutes and instead held a half-hour question-and-answer session.

"I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am," Coulter told the 2,600 people at Jorgensen Auditorium.

Coulter's appearance prompted protests from several groups, including Students Against Hate and the Puerto Rican/Latin American Cultural Center. They criticized her for spreading a message of hate and intolerance.

Nearly 100 students gathered inside the Student Union for a rally against Coulter. About a half-dozen people held protest signs outside the auditorium.

After a book signing following her appearance, Coulter called the audience's reaction "typical."


Typical indeed. Time and again right-leaning celebrities and scholars are heckled by left-wing activists unwilling to let them talk. Even the President himself was heckled at his inauguration by activists from Code Pink after they were given tickets to the event by Congressional Democrats.

For a group of people who pride themselves on their dissent against the current administration, who stand on their first amendment rights to free speech any time somebody questions what they are saying, these leftist activists sure don't like to listen to thoughts contrary to their own. Remember those sheep from Orwell's Animal Farm who started bleating "Four legs good, two legs bad" any time somebody tried to speak out against what the pigs where doing? That's what these protesters remind me of.

I'm not an Ann Coulter fan. I find her stances a bit contrived and her speeches come off more like comedy routines than any real sort of political discourse, but the woman has a right to speak and the people who invite her to these events should be able to hold them without interruption from obnoxious retards. By all means, protest outside her events. Send letters to the editor about them, but don't go in and start acting like a child while she's trying to speak. That doesn't do anyone any good.

Sadly, though, this is what passes for legitimate political dissent these days.

Update:

Video here.

The "Coulter = Hitler" sign is especially classy. And, of course, some in the media are spinning this to make it look as though Ann were at fault.

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An example of the discrimination against conservatives and conservative thought at the university level.  I wonder what happens to conservative students? I have known for some time that conservative christian white men have fewer free speech rights in this country, and now it seems to be extending to conservative christian white women as well.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 09:13 am
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MI: The Mirecki thing might have been fake.  He taught his class a few hours after the alleged incident with no visible signs of severe injury, and the police dropped the “hate crime” charge.  Developing.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 10:12 am
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You can vote here (bottom right corner) on who is stupider: Ann Coulter, or the jeering students.

So far Coulter is in the lead. Someone’s been paying attention!

Dave on December 8, 2005 at 10:12 am
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Animal Farm, Rob? You’re well-read for a self-professed redneck, if you’re not careful you’re going to ruin the good name of rednecks! smile

Seth Williams on December 8, 2005 at 10:12 am
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“I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am,” Coulter told the 2,600 people at Jorgensen Auditorium.

Guess Ann never heard the saying about glass houses.

modern instances on December 8, 2005 at 10:12 am
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The Commie News Network? Get real.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 10:13 am
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She’s lucky she didn’t piss off any fundies in Kansas!

A University of Kansas professor who drew criticism for e-mails he wrote deriding Christian fundamentalists over creationism has resigned as chairman of the Department of Religious Studies.
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Originally called “Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies,” the course was canceled last week at Mirecki’s request.
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On Monday, Mirecki was treated at a Lawrence hospital for head injuries after he said he was beaten by two men on a country road. He said the men referred to the creationism course. Law enforcement officials were investigating.

modern instances on December 8, 2005 at 10:13 am
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In the meantime I have zero sympathy for Coulter. She’s spent her entire career being rude and unpleasant---and then acts surprised when she reaps what she sows.

Whatta putz!

Don Myers on December 8, 2005 at 11:12 am
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Don: I agree.  That free speech stuff is just for liberal wimps.
Here’s the link about the police:

http://www.kansan.com/stories/2005/dec/07/ne_mirecki/

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 11:12 am
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bob:

First of all, congrats on presenting evidence to back up some---but by no means all---of your assertions. There’s a first time for everything!

Any evidence that “the Mirecki thing might have been fake?” NOPE. Any evidence that “he taught his class a few hours after the alleged incident with no visible signs of severe injury?” NOPE.

You even claim that “the police dropped the hate crime charge,” when in fact there was never any hate crime charges filed in the first place. It was just some cop misspeaking on the radio.

So you’re still mostly wrong, but you’ve managed to support some tiny, insignificant shred of your foolish rants with some evidence. Let’s see if we can build upon that, mmmmkay?

Don Myers on December 8, 2005 at 11:12 am
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Dave said, You can vote here (bottom right corner) on who is stupider: Ann Coulter, or the jeering students.

Ahhh..that non-existant liberal media, right Dave and Don?

Don Myers said, In the meantime I have zero sympathy for Coulter. She’s spent her entire career being rude and unpleasant—and then acts surprised when she reaps what she sows.

Really? Who did she shout down Don? An why are you so quick to defend such a practice in the first place?

Your true colors shine brightly.

likwidshoe on December 8, 2005 at 11:13 am
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bob: in other words you’re right so you don’t have to prove it ‘cuz you’re right.

Such delusions of grandeur!

BTW, bob, rudeness is not the same thing as bigotry. Bigotry is denying equal rights to ALL Americans or denying a woman the right to controll her own body---all core GOP “values.”

Don Myers on December 8, 2005 at 11:13 am
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BTW, Don, do you have any evidence that any attack occurred?  Where is your evidence?  All you have is a news story about an alleged attack.  No eyewitnesses, no forensic evidence, only a claim of an attack.  No evidence about the alleged perpetrators, just this guy’s claims.  Pretty thin.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 11:13 am
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Bigotry is denying equal rights to ALL Americans or denying a woman the right to controll her own body—all core GOP “values.”

Everything looks like “bigotry” to someone who makes up rights on the spot and out of thin air.

likwidshoe on December 8, 2005 at 11:13 am
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The Mirecki thing might have been fake. He taught his class a few hours after the alleged incident with no visible signs of severe injury, and the police dropped the “hate crime” charge.

Why not link to some evidence backing up your claims?

Probably because there is none.

Don Myers on December 8, 2005 at 11:13 am
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Don: It’s not my job to present you with anything, then have you judge that it’s not evidence.  You are not the queen of evidence.  Keep reading the news; it will all be revealed, but even then, you will continue to demonize conservatives.  No amount of evidence will ever convince such an idealogue as you. You are trying to deflect from the real point of this thread, that the lefties on college campuses, as illustrated by the rudeness toward Ann Coulter, are bigoted and against real free speech.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 11:13 am
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Hear me now and believe me later.

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Don: as usual, you lie about what I said.  bigotry is also keeping a woman from speaking her views in public, because you don’t agree with them. The GOP position on abortion is that it should be left up to the states to decide, in other words, the voters in each state.  Why do you fear the voters, Don?

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 01:13 pm
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Oliver:  Whatever happened to equal rights?  I guess some speakers are more equal than others(with apologies to George Orwell).

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 02:12 pm
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Woof:  What are you, a moss-backed reactionary fundamentalist?  Ann should get back in the kitchen?  Very funny.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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Woof: All humor, especially Ann’s, contains some truth.  It would sure solve a lot of problems in the world if we had the resolve to do just that.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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If Ann can’t take the heat she should get in the kitchen.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.


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WOOF on December 8, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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I have known for some time that conservative christian white men have fewer free speech rights in this country, and now it seems to be extending to conservative christian white women as well.
Woe are the poor white men and women of America. Who will speak up for them?

Oliver on December 8, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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WOOF, every now and then you’re actually very funny.

Seth Williams on December 8, 2005 at 03:12 pm
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Thanks Seth

WOOF on December 8, 2005 at 03:12 pm
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Ann came screaming into the bedroom.
“I was just in a creepy, overbright, all white and steel room full of strange machines.

“It’s just the kitchen Ann , the staff works there.”

WOOF on December 8, 2005 at 03:13 pm
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You are wound to tight on this robert.
It was a joke.
I said

get in the kitchen

cause she is not a traditional women, Harvard lawyer I think.

robert said

get back in the kitchen

This was not a Colter joke

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

That was her serious side.

I view her as an entertainer/provacateur at this point in her career.  A slow motion shock jock.

WOOF on December 8, 2005 at 04:12 pm
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Robert108:

IMO, what is funny is that Woof is using traditional values in his attempts at humor.

Actually, WOOF was pretty funny there.  Let’s start a poll, then we’ll know the truth!  (Hint for R108: ;->wink

Carrick on December 8, 2005 at 04:12 pm
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robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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Carrick: Yes, he did, but it was hypocritical for him to do so.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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*sigh*
It was a clever play on words, I’m actually fairly sure that WOOF, whatever her ideological failings, doesn’t really believe women belong in the kitchen.

Sometimes a joke is just a joke, to paraphrase Freud.

Seth Williams on December 8, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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IMO, what is funny is that Woof is using traditional values in his attempts at humor. Ann Coulter should be an icon of the feminists, but since she doesn’t have the correct ideology, she gets trashed for not being traditional.  You can’t win with the left.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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Conservative women should be seen and not heard.  Very funny.  So, if a conservative woman is heckled to the point where she is unable to be heard, your response is to attack her personally?  What a man.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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MI:

“I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am,” Coulter told the 2,600 people at Jorgensen Auditorium.

Guess Ann never heard the saying about glass houses.

You don’t think that “stupider” is a word?  Is that glass house located in your backyard, and are you using it to grow um… agricultural products appropriate for a good brownie recipie?

Carrick on December 8, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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Woof: Sort of a tall, blonde, conservative, good-looking Howard Stern?

Seth: When I saw her on Hannity and Colmes last night, right after the “talk”, she seemed to be in shock.  She wasn’t very chatty.  Too bad. She looked great, though.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 05:13 pm
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I’ve never found Ann all that attractive.  Being Scandanavian she’s totally supposed to be my type (tall, blond, icey), but I’ve always liked ‘em kind short with some more meat on their bones.

This viking marches to the beat of his own drummer, I guess.

But you’re right, robert, she did look pretty shaken on Hannity last night.  The video link I posted above goes to the segment, if anybody else is interested.

What amazes me about this whole thread is that out of all the leftists who post here not one of them took the time to stand up for free speech.  They all wanted to change the subject, or explain how Coulter deserved it (even though I’m sure she’s never done anything remotely like this to somebody else).  This happens time and again on American universities.  Convervative voices are shouted down because liberals don’t want to hear them.  And then other liberals pretend like its no big deal.  Like its all a big joke.

Maybe it is to them, but to me the fact that this keeps happening all over the place is pretty dang serious.


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Rob on December 8, 2005 at 05:13 pm
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Thats why I said slow motion . She is not a quick wit. Read that today was her birthday, 44.

WOOF on December 8, 2005 at 05:13 pm
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Damn you WOOF, stop making me agree with you.

While I may agree ideologically with some of Coulter’s positions, and while a lot of the attacks she has gotten from the left are truly unfair--in fact many attacks are beyond the pale--this line of yours struck me as true:

I view her as an entertainer/provacateur at this point in her career. A slow motion shock jock.

I think that’s about right. I think she stopped trying to convince people about anything awhile back, and is preaching to the choir. Frankly I think the personal attacks on her have been taking a toll and it’s too bad.

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Congress should get involved.

Or maybe the left should start condemning these acts instead of changing the subject or making excuses.  You know, do something crazy like stand up for the right of their opponents to have their fair share of free speech.


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Or how do you define “fair share” of free speech?

Oh, I don’t know...letting her talk instead of playing loud music so she can’t be heard?  Stop throwing pies at her?  Maybe point some criticism at the people doing that stuff?  Don’t just look the other way and pretend like its not a big deal?

How about we start there.  You willing to do that, Davey, or does your hate of “right-wingers” prevent you from defending their right for free speech?


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Rob on December 8, 2005 at 07:12 pm
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The UN should do something about it.


But I thought we wanted to fix the problem!
Dave on December 8, 2005 at 07:13 pm
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Rob, perhaps if you designated a special day to [delete|rewrite|strike|redact|misattribute|paste over with porn or pictures of hitler] every single comment left by your commie leftist visitors (you know who you are), they’d start to get the point.

We could call it Coulter-day.

(PS:  Do you really find Jeanne Garofalo attractive, my sick friend???? )

Marty on December 8, 2005 at 07:13 pm
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The UN should do something about it.

John on December 8, 2005 at 07:13 pm
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You willing to do that, Davey, or does your hate of “right-wingers” prevent you from defending their right for free speech?

In order to defend her right to free speech the way you want I would have to eliminate some students’ similar right to free speech. I’m unconmfortable doing that. What you’re advocating reminds me of, in a sense, campaign finance reform: you have good intentions, but at the end of the day all you’re accomplishing is granting more restrictions of free speech for everyone.

Sure, the protestors are foolish, and they should have respectfully disagreed with Coulter, etc… but they didn’t. There’s nothing I can do about it now, and there’s nothing I can do about it if they do it at the next stop on her speaking tour.

Dave on December 8, 2005 at 07:13 pm
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Maybe it is to them, but to me the fact that this keeps happening all over the place is pretty dang serious.

Congress should get involved.
Dave on December 8, 2005 at 07:13 pm
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Or maybe the left should start condemning these acts instead of changing the subject or making excuses. You know, do something crazy like stand up for the right of their opponents to have their fair share of free speech.

To make up for this, let’s allow the entire country to read Coulter’s syndicated column or watch her appearances on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Or how do you define “fair share” of free speech?

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(PS: Do you really find Jeanne Garofalo attractive, my sick friend???? )

Whoa...who said I like Janine Garofalo?

Although her niece (who I went to school with) did have a crush on me in the 5th grade.

Sure, the protestors are foolish, and they should have respectfully disagreed with Coulter, etc… but they didn’t. There’s nothing I can do about it now, and there’s nothing I can do about it if they do it at the next stop on her speaking tour.

I’m not asking you to write a law, Davey (though I’m not certain that this sort of thing is protected free speech as they easily could have been arrested...though even that would have been counter-producted as they would have been martyred by their dipshit followers).  Just some condemnation.  You know, a “that’s wrong” instead of pretending like its no big deal.  Instead of making me coax a weak statement against it out of you.


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Rob on December 8, 2005 at 08:12 pm
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yet you refuse to take the free speech of those you disagree with seriously.

No one took away Ann Coulter’s right to free speech. These kids did the functional equivalent of banning an abusive poster from their website.

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You say you’re a libertarian, yet you refuse to take the free speech of those you disagree with seriously.


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Rob on December 8, 2005 at 08:12 pm
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It’s tough to get more serious than that.

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Rob wrote

Just some condemnation.

Bad. Bad bad bad bad bad bad bad.  BAD PROTESTORS!!! What? Oh stop your crying! Shut up!!! Shut the **** up!!! I can’t take this **** anymore. Take THIS, and THAT, and THIS!!! Shut your ****ing mouth! You know this hurts me more than it hurts you. Why do you always make me shout at you? Huh? Why the **** do you always make me shout at you?!?!? Now shut your goddamn mouth, and next time you shout down Ann Coulter, here’s what I’m gonna do: I’m gonna take off my pants, whip out my ****, and **** you. Hard. Got it? Now, for chrissakes, clean yourself up, you look like ****.
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Really Davey?  You’d take out your dick and fuck them?

I hope you weren’t being serious.


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These kids did the functional equivalent of banning an abusive poster from their website.

Are “abusive posters” invited and paid for their performances?  Your analogy doesn’t hold water.

Free speech means free speech, Davey.  If we all just go around shutting each other up, what purpose does even allowing free speech serve?  How about I let you talk and you let me talk?  And we both condemn people who won’t let other people talk?  Because we are capable of being civilized and reasonable like that, right?

Or I could just start editing all your comments to read “I’m retarded.”


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Rob on December 8, 2005 at 08:13 pm
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Delete Daves post’s from now on Rob — he wont mind. Free speech is not at issue here.

My right to free speech doesn’t mean that everyone has to listen to everything I say all the time. Just like Ann Coulter’s.
Dave on December 8, 2005 at 08:13 pm
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Delete Daves post’s from now on Rob—he wont mind.  Free speech is not at issue here.

Marty on December 8, 2005 at 08:13 pm
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No performer is entitled to respectful listeners. They need to earn respect.

If you can’t control your audience, then you need to polish your act.

WOOF on December 8, 2005 at 08:13 pm
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No one needs to protect speech that everyone likes; the protection is for speech someone doesn’t like, and is suppressed for that reason.  You know, the First Amendment?

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 09:12 pm
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No one needs to protect speech that everyone likes; the protection is for speech someone doesn’t like, and is suppressed for that reason. You know, the First Amendment?

I’m familiar with it.

Congress shall make no law (...) abridging the freedom of speech.”

Did Congress abridge Ms. Coulter’s speech?

Dave on December 8, 2005 at 09:13 pm
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No performer is entitled to respectful listeners. They need to earn respect.

Every performer is entitled to a respectful audience.

But hey, that’s just how I was raised.

John on December 8, 2005 at 10:13 pm
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Dave: Why do we protect speech, Dave? Maybe because it’s a lot easier to censor someone by shouting them down than it is to conduct a reasoned argument, assuming you even have the facts to mount an argument.  In case you don’t know, that freedom from censorship is vital to the American experience.  It’s so vital that we made it the First Amendment.  You know the answer to your question; it is just irrelevant to this discussion.

robert108 on December 8, 2005 at 11:12 pm
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Did Congress abridge Ms. Coulter’s speech?

Good point, Dave.  First amendment absolutely does not apply here.

Luckily for the good guys, the only other time it was mentioned, Rob qualified it by saying the bad guys use it as a bogus reason to quell dissent.

To not afford Coulter the same courtesy that those whiny liberals demand is absolutely hypocritical. 
To argue that Coulter shouldn’t be allowed to speak on the basis of her speech’s offensiveness isn’t quite right because “offensive” is a relative concept and seems to only apply to conservative speech. 
To argue that a person blowing a foghorn over my voice or chasing me away from a public forum is as justified a practice of free speech as my speaking my mind is a silly and childish point of view.

Interrupting someone is not practicing free speech.  Interrupting someone is limiting free speech. 
Harassing someone so they cannot speak is not free speech, it is limiting free speech.

We don’t want legislation reading “Coulter to be allowed to speak”, but some courtesy would be nice.  Either stop harassing ours or stop complaining when you feel we do it to yours.  Consistency makes things so much easier for everybody.

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WOOF said:

No performer is entitled to respectful listeners. They need to earn respect.

Ok, now that is true on the face of it. However, these people knew what the content of her speaking was going to be about. It was an event especially for her speaking. These people went out of their way to harass her.

It’s called comity ("an atmosphere of harmony and respect")--and what these kids are doing is destroying comity. They are coarsening the public dialog and, ultimately, weakening our civic foundation. If there cannot be dissent if that dissent cannot be heard--and that will end up working both ways.

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There is a big difference with respect/disrespect of a speech and a prior decision to attend the speech with the intent of disrupting it.  In that case you aren’t part of an audience, but a heckler intending to limit that person’s capacity for free speech.

Had the tables been turned, you would not have seen WOOF asserting “No performer is entitled to respectful listeners...” Applying different standards depending on the circumstances is a form of hypocrisy.

I can’t stand Ann Coultier, just to make this clear, and find her to be every bit as offensive as that twit Howard Dean.  However, I would not even contemplate going to an event featuring either of these people with the intent of stopping them from speaking.

These were kids involved in this, not the DNC.  Yet even in a flagrant example like this, people like WOOF can’t admit that a wrong had been committed by people on their own side.

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And neither can Davey, MI or Don Meyers.  All of them are so wrapped up in their knee-jerk opposition to all things Republican or “right-wing” that they can’t spare a minute to say, “You know, shouting down the opposition in just plain wrong.”

Frankly, none of this would be as troublesome were a) it not a trend (the President, as I mentioned in the post, Bill Kristol, David Horowitz, Pat Buchanan and Coulter on another occassion have all gotten the same treatment, and that’s just off the top of my head) and b) the established left were able to come out and say, in a serious tone, that this sort of thing is wrong.

But hey, maybe when you’re out of ideas shouting the opposition down is all you have left.


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I’d like to think that UConn would have the courtesy to ensure all of it’s guests were treated with respect and that if guests were invited they would ensure that the students who wished to see the speakers would get to do so. Apparently they don’t think that they have that responsibility which reflects poorly on them as hosts.

ICallMasICM on December 9, 2005 at 05:12 am
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Every single lefty here made excuses for the hecklers. How hypocritical and how typical. You guys should adopt the slogan, “Free speech for me and none for thee.” It fits you like a glove.

likwidshoe on December 9, 2005 at 05:13 am
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Dave said, He didn’t recommend that the bikers engage in reasonable discourse with Rev. Phelps. He didn’t “condemn people who won’t let other people talk.” No, he applauded them. He said they were “awesome.”

And why? Because Rev. Phelps is f*cking insane, and those who prevent him from spreading his hatred should be applauded. Apply to Ann Coulter, and move on.

Oh..."Rev." Phelps was invited to speak or did he show up uninvited to a forum he wasn’t welcome at? Apples and oranges Dave.

You’re still excusing it, I noticed. You think it is cool to disrupt a forum that isn’t for you to begin with.

Don Myers said, Are you going to tell me that hecklers in a comedy club are violating the free speech rights of comics?

Yes.

Altho’ Ann isn’t exactly a comic—she’s a joke.

Yes, why those wonderful counter-arguments you provided against her positions showed that.

Oh wait...what counter-arguments? You have only got insults.

likwidshoe on December 9, 2005 at 06:12 am
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Ann without hecklers would be Gallager the watermelon assassin without laughs.
She does her schtick, laughs all the way to the bank and smokes a fat one with Bill Maher.

WOOF on December 9, 2005 at 06:12 am
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And neither can Davey, MI or Don Meyers. All of them are so wrapped up in their knee-jerk opposition to all things Republican or “right-wing” that they can’t spare a minute to say, “You know, shouting down the opposition in just plain wrong.”

Do you really want me to express my condemnation again? Okay then…

Bad. Bad bad bad bad bad bad bad. BAD PROTESTORS!!! What? Oh stop your crying! Shut up!!! Shut the **** up!!! I can’t take this **** anymore. Take THIS, and THAT, and THIS!!! Shut your ****ing mouth! You know this hurts me more than it hurts you. Why do you always make me shout at you? Huh? Why the **** do you always make me shout at you?!?!? Now shut your goddamn mouth, and next time you shout down Ann Coulter, here’s what I’m gonna do: I’m gonna take off my pants, whip out my ****, and **** you. Hard. Got it? Now, for chrissakes, clean yourself up, you look like ****.

There is a big difference with respect/disrespect of a speech and a prior decision to attend the speech with the intent of disrupting it. In that case you aren’t part of an audience, but a heckler intending to limit that person’s capacity for free speech.

I imagine you also condemned the “hecklers" who limited the capacity of Fred Phelps to speak in this story, right?

But wait, what do we see from Rob when a group of bikers rev their engines to prevent Rev. Phelps from speaking at a marine’s funeral?

He wrote:

Awesome.

He didn’t recommend that the bikers engage in reasonable discourse with Rev. Phelps. He didn’t “condemn people who won’t let other people talk.” No, he applauded them. He said they were “awesome.”

And why? Because Rev. Phelps is f*cking insane, and those who prevent him from spreading his hatred should be applauded. Apply to Ann Coulter, and move on.

Dave on December 9, 2005 at 06:13 am
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Are you going to tell me that hecklers in a comedy club are violating the free speech rights of comics?

Altho’ Ann isn’t exactly a comic---she’s a joke.

Don Myers on December 9, 2005 at 06:13 am
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And neither can Davey, MI or Don Meyers. All of them are so wrapped up in their knee-jerk opposition to all things Republican or “right-wing” that they can’t spare a minute to say, “You know, shouting down the opposition in just plain wrong.”

Huh?  All I did was make fun of her.  Of course she should be able to speak, that’s what they paid her for.  The offending audience members were asked to leave, as they should.

modern instances on December 9, 2005 at 06:13 am
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Woof: Bad analogy.  It wasn’t the majority of the audience that disagreed with what Coulter was saying. It was the leftist bullyboys who came to disrupt that deprived the majority of the opportunity to hear what she had to say.  If you want an historical parallel, try Germany in the 1930s, where one AH silenced his opposition with the same tactics. Bad for America, good for the left.  You figure it out.

robert108 on December 9, 2005 at 12:12 pm
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WOOF:

She does her schtick, laughs all the way to the bank and smokes a fat one with Bill Maher.

Regardless of the fact that Coulter and Maher are flaming assholes, they both deserve the right to speak freely.  When a group of people go to a speech with the intent to disrupt that speech, they are directly affecting that individual’s right for self-expression.  You apparently are disagreeing with this, since you keep bringing up how much you dislike Coulter.

I would be just as offended if Howard the Scream were silenced by a group of Republican activists as I am by this.  Wrong is wrong.

Carrick on December 9, 2005 at 12:13 pm
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Getting shouted down, booed, is historicaly as much a part of politics as show business. Not work for the easily offended.

Reminds me of going to the movies, the audience hated the film so much after 10 minutes they started stamping their feet, whistling, and shouting, “Take It OFF!”
Which the projectionist did, and put on another feature.
That’s all I ever saw of “Two Hundred Motels”

WOOF on December 9, 2005 at 12:13 pm
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WOOF:

Getting shouted down, booed, is historicaly as much a part of politics as show business. Not work for the easily offended.

Why are you having so much problem with an obvious point?

You have to distinguish crowd from pre-meditated heckling.

Your example was with an audience not with a group intent on disrupting the “show” from the outset.

Damn! You lefties are slowww sometimes.  You’d argue that the sky wasn’t blue if it met your political objectives.

Carrick on December 9, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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Dave: You got it wrong, as usual.  Hitler=Coulter is simply false.  I said, for the logically impaired: leftist agitators at Coulter speech=bullyboys in Germany in the 1930s, which is factually accurate.  As usual, the feeble attempt at leftie equivalence goes awry.

robert108 on December 9, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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robert108 wrote

If you want an historical parallel, try Germany in the 1930s

Rob wrote

The “Coulter = Hitler” sign is especially classy.

Dave on December 9, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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It is true, though, that the lefties usually accuse conservatives of the things that the lefties do. “When a pickpocket looks at a man, all he sees are his pockets.”

robert108 on December 9, 2005 at 02:13 pm
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It’s a rude world.

WOOF on December 9, 2005 at 04:12 pm
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It’s a rude world.

Yep. Especially when you have so many people running around defending and making excuses for the rudeness. Right WOOF?

likwidshoe on December 9, 2005 at 04:13 pm
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Dave: You quoted me, it’s true, but twisted my meaning.  You also twisted the original intent of Rob’s quote, which is par for the course for the left, since they are not willing to express their true values.

robert108 on December 9, 2005 at 09:12 pm
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robert108 wrote

You got it wrong, as usual.

I merely posted a qutoe by you and a quote by Rob.

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mi: I’m curious.  Do the people who don’t believe as you do have any rights at all? I happen to like Ann Coulter, and if I had attended that speech, I would have been very offended at the actions of those leftie bullyboys.  They deprived a lot of people who think differently about Ann the right to enjoy their choice.  You are pro-choice, aren’t you?

robert108 on December 11, 2005 at 12:12 pm
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Nothing to do with Ann Coulter deserves to be taken seriously.  What other windmills are you tilting at today?

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If free speech is a “windmill,” than consider me a regular Don Quixote in my desire to charge toward it.


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Huh? All I did was make fun of her. Of course she should be able to speak, that’s what they paid her for. The offending audience members were asked to leave, as they should.

She had to stop her speech because of them.  And if you feel this way, maybe try actually saying that.  Choosing instead to mock Coulter only lends a sense of legitimacy to those who would block her speech.

The fact that you, Don and Davey still refuse to take this seriously makes me sick.  I mean, Davey even claims to be a libertarian and he doesn’t get it.

If you guys (and people like you) could take the blinders off long enough to condemn that which is wrong even when it is your side doing it the world would be a better place.


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Rob on December 11, 2005 at 12:13 pm
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MI:

Nothing to do with Ann Coulter deserves to be taken seriously. What other windmills are you tilting at today?

Shorter MI: Free speech for me, but not for thee.

Seth Williams on December 11, 2005 at 12:13 pm
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The fact that you, Don and Davey still refuse to take this seriously makes me sick.

I called the hecklers “bad,” threatened to have “hard” anal sex with them, and advocated Congressional intervention.

What more can I do to show you how utterly serious this is? For crying out loud, a group of hecklers shouted down a right-wing pundit at a college campus!!!

Things have got to change. But first, we’ve gotta get mad!. We’ve got to say, “I’m a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!” So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, “I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!”

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See?  You make jokes.  Can’t take it seriously.

Maybe one day you’ll try to speak about some of your beliefs in public, and maybe somebody will stop you from being heard by shouting you down.  Maybe then you’ll take this stuff seriously.

Because telling me that you’re going to take your dick out and fuck people only indicates that you don’t get it.


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Rob on December 12, 2005 at 09:12 pm
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For the record, I wouldn’t have joined in the hecklers and had I been there, I would have thought them quite rude.

As for Ann---you reap what you sow. She’s spent her entire career shouting down others on teevee and saying the most rude and disgusting things in print (wishing Tim McVeigh had bombed the NYT building for example).

What y’all can’t seem to wrap your heads around---in typical neo-con on/off, black/white, devoid-of-context type thinking---is that some of us can be all in favor of free speech and STILL think Ann got what’s coming to her.

And as far as I’m concerned I’m finished with this tempest in a teacup. I have a lot more pressing concerns in my life than Ann Coulter’s comfort zone.

Don Myers on December 13, 2005 at 08:12 am
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Maybe one day you’ll try to speak about some of your beliefs in public, and maybe somebody will stop you from being heard by shouting you down. Maybe then you’ll take this stuff seriously.

Rob, I can’t force hecklers to stay at home. You keep treating this like it’s something important, when in reality all it showed was that Coulter isn’t courageous enough to speak in an unfriendly environment.

Dave on December 13, 2005 at 08:12 am
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Don: The answer to your question is yes. No sense of humor when your sacred cows are harpooned, Don?

robert108 on December 13, 2005 at 09:12 am
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For the record, Ann was drowned out by a boombox at top volume.  If you can think you support her right to free speech, but still think she got “what’s coming to her”, then you probably support the troops, but not the war.  Typical leftie compartmentalized thinking.  It’s all BS, of course.
As far as reaping what you sow, she has spent her career as a public figure exposing, with both truth and satire, the utter moral poverty of the left.  I think she should reap accolades.

robert108 on December 13, 2005 at 09:12 am
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OOPS! Hit post twice. Mea culpa...

Don Myers on December 13, 2005 at 09:13 am
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bobby:

Wishing Tim McVeigh had bombed the NYT building is your idea of “exposing, with both truth and satire, the utter moral poverty of the left?”

Don Myers on December 13, 2005 at 09:13 am
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bobby:

Wishing Tim McVeigh had bombed the NYT building is your idea of “exposing, with both truth and satire, the utter moral poverty of the left?”

Don Myers on December 13, 2005 at 09:13 am
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Don: Got anything substantive? Or are you reduced to your usual pathetic, wimpy, ill-informed personal attacks? Please, get an informed thought.

robert108 on December 13, 2005 at 09:13 am
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Oh...I see...you’re crazy. Not in a derisive way, but in a very real and clinical way

I hope you get the professional help you need, bob. As for me, I’ll just back away and try not to make any sudden moves.

In the future, I can ignore your paranoid rantings as the the symptoms of a guy who’s off his meds.

Don Myers on December 13, 2005 at 09:13 am
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Dave: No, the NYT. That was the object of her remark, remember? She favored bombing the NYT bldg rather than the Murrah Federal bldg, so she was being compassionate toward terror victims, get it?  It was humor with a grain of truth, in that the NYT is the bigger menace.

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