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Monday, November 28, 2005

Signs Of Life For Democrat Strategy On Iraq?

Hmm...

...the outlines of such a position emerged last week in speeches by two respected Democratic members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden of Delaware and Barack Obama of Illinois. That they reached almost the same conclusion from opposite sides of the intraparty debate -- Biden an early and consistent supporter of the U.S. intervention against Saddam Hussein, and Obama an equally confirmed skeptic about the invasion -- adds to the significance of their statements.

Biden, the committee's senior Democrat, said in New York that it is time to scale back U.S. ambitions in Iraq and reduce troop commitment while shifting security responsibilities to the Iraqis. The next day, Obama, a freshman member of the committee, made many of the same points in Chicago.

Both said that an immediate or precipitous American withdrawal is out of the question, because, as Obama put it, "having waged a war that has unleashed daily carnage and uncertainty in Iraq, we have to manage our exit in a responsible way -- with the hope of leaving a stable foundation for the future, but at the very least taking care not to plunge the country into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis."

They both envisage the gradual draw down of U.S. forces through 2006, with Biden more willing than Obama to suggest a time line for that process. . . .

Not only have Democrats found their voice, they may well have pointed the administration and the country toward a realistic and modestly hopeful course on Iraq.


Wait a minute...a U.S. troop draw-down as Iraqi security forces come online? Exiting Iraq while leaving the country stable? A hesitancy to suggest a timeline for all of this?

How is this any different from the President's strategy for Iraq? How is this any different from "as Iraqis stand up we will stand down?" Bush said that in June of this year. He said the same thing in August of 2003, September of 2003 and May of 2004.

Yet somehow this represents Democrats pointing the Bush administration "toward a realistic and modestly hopeful course on Iraq?"

Give me a break. Why don't we call this what it is: Democrats are finally starting to get it. They haven't come up with anything new here, they're finally climbing on the bandwagon with the President. They are just now reaching the place on Iraq where President Bush and the majority of Republicans have been all along, even if they don't want to admit it.

Frankly, I congratulate Senators Biden and Obama for finally getting it right and hope that many others in their party follow suit, but they should stop acting like this is something new.

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Avatar for The WB42 5:30 Report With Doug Krile: Lieberman an

[...] I’m beginning to think there are two Iraqs.  The one where there are accusations that  U.S.-Trained forces are killing Sunnis and using White Phosphorous against civilians.  Then, there is the “other” Iraq.  The Iraq that Donald Rumsfeld and Senator Lieberman have access to: UPDATE:  Somebody agrees with me! Lieberman out of touch  Courtesy of Atrios: Time magazine Baghdad bureau chief Michael Ware on Morning Sedition this morning: I and some other journalists had lunch with Senator Joe Lieberman the other day and we listened to him talking about Iraq. Either Senator Lieberman is so divorced from reality that he’s completely lost the plot or he knows he’s spinning a line [...] So, what did Liberman say?  Lieberman: “We Do Have A Plan"   I have to say that I give Joe Lieberman a lot of credit for not letting party loyalty get in the way of the truth: Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, just back from Iraq, wants President Bush to give the American [...]Lieberman: Things Going Well In Iraq   I think Democrats are showing signs of coming around on Iraq. They’ll never admit that Bush had it right, but I think they’re finally realizing that this we were mislead into war/we’re loosing/we should withdraw immediately stuff just isn’t going to work as long as there is steady and discernible progress in Iraq [...] [...]

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Do you really think it’s a case of them “getting it” or reaction to getting caught lying about being misled so many times they’re dropping the rhetoric?

Fair point, bullwinkle.  I guess I was being in optimist in my hope that this wasn’t a position contrived for political gain, but the fact that pretty much every position the left has had on the war in Iraq has been contrived for political gain should have told me otherwise.


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Rob on November 28, 2005 at 02:11 pm
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Do you really think it’s a case of them “getting it” or reaction to getting caught lying about being misled so many times they’re dropping the rhetoric? I’m just guessing, but I think except for the insanely hateful and idotic fringes of the left the message has gotten out that the “mislead” line of shit is exactly that, of course there will always be some morons willing to repeat it to their dying day no matter how many times it’s proven to be lie, but they all seems to be commenters in here so they aren’t bothering the rest of the decent, reasonable people in America. Some people will never get it, but the majority don’t have to be beaten over the head with facts until they realize they are facts.

bullwinkle on November 28, 2005 at 02:12 pm
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