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It is the Administration that is

coming around on Iraq.

The Administration after having withdrawl pushed into its face, is suddenly talking of withdrawing troops.

You have no short-term memory at all, do you?

[...] Lieberman: Things Going Well In Iraq Finally, a Democrat not afraid to admit it. [...]

[...] Lieberman: Losing Begins At Home by Greg Tinti at 12:58PM (EST) on November 29, 2005  |  Permanent Link  |  Cosmos Writing in today’s The Wall Street Journal, Sen. Joe Lieberman sends amessage to his colleagues in Congress and the American people:  I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing, self-securing nationhood--unless the great American military that has given them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.  Lieberman continues to hammer the point that premature withdrawl of troops from Iraq would be a disaster:  And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if [U.S.] forces are withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country. The leaders of Iraq’s duly elected government understand this, and they asked me for reassurance about America’s commitment. The question is whether the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November’s elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead. Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America’s bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.  Read Lieberman’s op-ed in full.  I can imagine the Democratic leadership is not too pleased with Lieberman at the moment (DailyKos sure isn’t happy with his “blind support").  Say Anything has more on Lieberman’s trip to Iraq. *** Previous: A Principled Democrat [...]

...as long as there is steady and discernible progress in Iraq.

That “steady and discernable progress” exists solely in your head---and in the far-right media to which you are a thrall.

Here in the real world Iraq is a bloody mess, Americans and Iraqis are dying in ever-increasing numbers, the war-profiteers are ripping us off, and global terrorism is UP.

I do agree with you that the Democrats are finally---FINALLY!---"coming around on Iraq.” Like a sizable majority of Americans, they’re starting to realize that they were sold a pack of lies, and it’s getting too many people killed to make Dubya’s friends rich.

If global terrorism is up, I sure am glad that I’m an American, where I know of no major attacks since 11 September 2001 (where more Americans died in a few short moments than the total number of soldiers during the entire two and a half years that we have been in Iraq).  Iraqi civilians never died before we entered Iraq.  Terrorists would never attack anyone, but the evil USofA forces them to.  And making money is shameful.  How dare anyone try to make money.  And yes, the Democrats were sold a pack of lies, because the big boys and girls that they are can’t think for themselves - it’s all someone elses fault because they can’t be held responsible for their actions…

And what lies were those?

Paulie:

America is part of the world.

You do realize that, right?

The rest of your screed simply makes no sense, and since I don’t respond to disjointed ramblings I"ll have to let it pass.

Let me know if you come up with a cogent statemant, mmmmmkay?

My appologies.  I thought that I had responded in a like manner as your post.

That “steady and discernable progress” exists solely in your head—and in the far-right media to which you are a thrall.

The “steady and discernable progress” is not just in Rob’s head (as the poster of this message) or the far-right media as you claim, but also in Senator Lieberman’s head.

Lieberman has visited Iraq four times in 17 months. He said there are signs life is returning to normal, including a profusion of cell phones and satellite TV dishes on rooftops.

“About two-thirds of the country is in really pretty good shape,” he said, noting most attacks are in the so-called “Sunni Triangle” region. “Overall, I came back encouraged.”

American Deaths.  More Americans died in the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001 than soldiers in the two and a half years we have been in Iraq.  The number of people that died on 11 September is between 2,900 and 3,000.  The link that you provided says that 2,110 soldiers have died in Iraq.  If we estimate 912 days, that is 2.3 soldier deaths per day - quite small in comparison to 11 September.  Do you agree?

Iraqi Civilian Deaths.  Interesting website.  And that’s what it is, a website.  “Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq.” I find it interesting that they are reported deaths, yet there is such a great difference (the max is 12.7% higher than the minimum).  If they are reported deaths, and not guesses, then why isn’t the number more precise?  “Military Intervention.” is that supposed to make us believe that the US military caused all of these deaths?  The little ticker on the left talks about suicide bombers that killed these people.  Yes, Iraqi insurgents loyal to the Saddam regime and foreign fighters are killing Iraqis.  They don’t want Iraqis to have freedom.  I’m looking forward to the Saddam trial.  Maybe we can get an idea of how many people he had executed during his rule of Iraq.  Do you want Iraqis to have freedom?

America is part of the world

Yes, I do realize that.  However, I am an American Citizen, and I am loyal to America.  I serve America and its citizens.  I am glad that our country is dedicated to protecting its citizens from terrorists.  I wish it was tougher on terror.  I wish other countries were tougher on terror as well.  If you are upset that global terrorism is up (that’s how I took your statement, but you aren’t really specific in your statement), what do you think (specifics) should be done to stop it?

Do you believe that making money is evil?  In the war-profiteers website that you sent it says, “The company is reimbursed for its actual costs and then paid a premium of 1 percent to 3 percent, depending on performance.” ONE TO THREE PERCENT! On the low end that’s a savings account, and on the high end that’s a CD!  For the ammount of risk involved, that’s an incredibly low profit earning.

Do you think that the Democrats are not responsible for buying the “pack of lies” that they were sold?  They are adults and part of the leadership of this country.  Senator Lieberman is a Democrat.  Are you saying that he is coming around?

The country is now in reach of going from Saddam Hussein to self-government and, I’d add, self-protection,” the Connecticut Democrat said in a conference call with reporters.

Again, what lies were Democrats “sold”?

And lastly, would you rather have Saddam in charge of Iraq today?  I have spoken with many Iraqis who told me that they were extremely happy that Saddam was no longer in power.

Your response this time is far more coherent, Paulie---still wrong, but at least you’re using complete sentences.

The “steady and discernable progress” is not just in Rob’s head (as the poster of this message) or the far-right media as you claim, but also in Senator Lieberman’s head.

Congrats! You’ve managed to find a Democrat that is just as wrong as you. So what?

Americans and Iraqis are STILL dying in ever-increasing numbers, the war-profiteers are STILL ripping us off, and global terrorism is STILL way, way UP.

American Deaths. More Americans died in the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001 than soldiers in the two and a half years we have been in Iraq. The number of people that died on 11 September is between 2,900 and 3,000. The link that you provided says that 2,110 soldiers have died in Iraq.

What an incredibly stupid arguement! According to you, anything that kills less than 3000 Americans is A-OK.

Do you think that the Democrats are not responsible for buying the “pack of lies” that they were sold?

As Otter said to Flounder after the road trip in Animal House, “You fucked up...you trusted us.” So wjhat if the Bush regime lied us into a quagmire? The Democrats fell for it so it’s THEIR fault.

Why not blame the criminals instead of the victims, paulie?

Donnie! Where you been hiding? Spewing more America hate, I see. Paulie B, don’t waste your time. Donnie boy drops in to vomit some anti-American,anti-capitalism crap, then slither away to Dkos and DU. His hatred for the military, and by extension you as a member of it, is legend. Bye Donnie, see you in a couple months when you return, leaving a trail of slime where ever you go.

Americans and Iraqis are STILL dying in ever-increasing numbers...

That will tend to happen in a war there chief. It’s a no brainer…

...the war-profiteers are STILL ripping us off...

One to three percent while doing a deadly job is “ripping us off”? Heh.

...and global terrorism is STILL way, way UP.

Then it is a good thing that we are fighting it, isn’t it?

What an incredibly stupid arguement! According to you, anything that kills less than 3000 Americans is A-OK.

That is not what he said.

As Otter said to Flounder after the road trip in Animal House, “You fucked up…you trusted us.” So wjhat if the Bush regime lied us into a quagmire?

It is a good thing that they didn’t “lie” and there is no “quagmire”.

Why not blame the criminals instead of the victims, paulie?

That is what we’re doing Don. Your problem is that you don’t know who the criminals and victims are.

2H9… I see what you are saying.  This is my first run in with Don.  He didn’t answer my questions or even make a decent attempt to refute my argument.  Maybe it wasn’t a waste of typing, however.  Maybe someone read my statement and learned something.  I can only hope.  I wonder why Don thinks that he is such an expert on the subject… I’m sure that it is not because he has been there.

Oh yeah… Animal House… I am really taken back by an Animal House quote.  Things like that really prove a point.

Paulie:

American Deaths. More Americans died in the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001 than soldiers in the two and a half years we have been in Iraq.

This should be obvious, but perhaps we need to go over this again and again until it sinks in:

The war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with the people who flew planes into the WTC. Nothing. We are NOT fighting terrorist in Iraq. We are CREATING terrorists in Iraq.

When you put forth a cogent argument, paulie, I respond to it. As for lik, he isn’t worth dignifying with a response.

2:

I love you too, Schmoopie. Kiss kiss kiss.

The war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with the people who flew planes into the WTC. Nothing.

Yes it does. This should be obvious, but perhaps we need to go over this again and again until it sinks in: terrorism. We are fighting terrorists.

We are NOT fighting terrorist in Iraq.

Hahaha. The “reality-based community” is upside down.

We are CREATING terrorists in Iraq.

That is your claim at least.

When you put forth a cogent argument, paulie, I respond to it.

That is your excuse at least.

As for lik, he isn’t worth dignifying with a response.

You can’t respond. You only know how to invert reality and insult. Your standard “isn’t worth dignifying with a response” bullshit belies the fact that you keep on coming back to this website.