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Illinois Nazis! I hate Illinois Nazis! WHAT!! Ohio Nazis? I don’t like them either!!!

Rob you are ‘SPOT ON’! I have my own personal experience and information about this type of mob-mentality. Tonight I was horrified by the video of the black rioters who were throwing rocks & bricks into the windows of ambulances!!! What the hell is that all about? I’m sorry, but even though this is politically incorrect, this is just another example of thugs using anything as an excuse to engage in their criminal activities.

And the Mayor was earlier trying to save his ASS so that the city of Toledo wouldn’t “look bad.” Well, folks, those friends of mine in the law enforcement community have known for a LONG time about exactly what is going on in Toledo! And it is RIDDLED with gangs!

Then, later when Mayor Ford was threatened with a gun, he changed his tune! Funny how reality can slap you in the face..

“What me? Gang problems in my city? No! that’s not true!”.. yeah, right!

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Funny, I have been reading different reports on this and in every one of them it was the gangbangers who caused the problems, not the"Nazis". God I hate having to defend the rights of socialist white supremacists, but there is that sticky 1st Amendment again. Note they did not burn or vandalize anything. Not that they wouldn’t, given the opportunity.

Can I join some sort of group that doesn’t like neo-Nazis OR black gangs?  They’ve both proven themselves to be idiots here, although the Nazis (unfortunately) come out as the less idiot group, as it appears that their concern (black gang violence) was well-founded.  Of course, let’s not kid ourselves, neo-Nazis normally don’t discriminate between black gang-members and law abiding black citizens.

There’s no need to “mutually condemn” these groups.  One was acting civil, peaceful, and totally appropriate trying to bring attention to the harassing they’ve been receiving. The other group was acting like a bunch of criminals.

Just because the media labels them white-supremacists doesn’t mean we need to look down our nose at them…

Well, lest people get the idea that your defense of them in this instance should be taken to mean that you sympathize with them or with their causes (racial cleansing, socialism, national health care, destruction of capitalism, free-press restrictions, etc).  Just like with this group or the KKK adopting highways.  I’ll defend their right to do that.  But I’m definitely going to support (nay, encourage!) the right of people to drive by with a middle finger hanging out the window of their car.

Please tell me that my irony meter is broken.

I don’t look down on these people because of any sort of media label.  I look down on them because they are a bunch of hateful racists.

From their group’s “25 Points of American National Socialism”:

Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.

I wholeheartedly issue condemnation.

Okay, now I’m sure that my irony meter is broken.

[...] Here’s an update to that Nazi protest/riot I posted about previously. TOLEDO, Ohio - In the days leading up to a white supremacist march, ministers pleaded with residents to stay calm and community leaders organized peace rallies. Authorities even delayed releasing the route so protesters wouldn’t know where the group planned to march. [...]

That’s all fine and good, Mark. I just find it odd that most people feel the need to preface their condemnation of the black gang-bangers with some sort of condemnation of the protesters who were peaceful and lawful.

That’s all fine and good, Mark. I just find it odd that most people feel the need to preface their condemnation of the black gang-bangers with some sort of condemnation of the protesters who were peaceful and lawful.

They weren’t peaceful at all. They were spreading a message of hate. That they were capable of speaking peacefully doesn’t mean they were peaceful people.

Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs they said were harassing white residents.

Doesn’t sound like a message of hate to me…

Really?

Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.

Picture from the rally, posted on the group’s website.

A sign being held says:
“White people unite.  [swastika] Fight for your race.”

The person holding sign and 10 others are in full “heil Hitler” salute.

This is a little bit different than their stated goal of protesting against black gang violence.  They don’t want black gang violence to go away, they want blacks to go away, and they want whites to fight against blacks “for their race.”

Sphagnum said (about the white supremacists):

Doesn’t sound like a message of hate to me…

Sphagnum, by saying things like that, you are doing very little to counter the claim that conservatives are racist.

Why did the police let these groups anywhere near each other? Why did the Nazi’s get permission for a 1 mile march?

The National Socialist Movement of Roanoke, Virginia had applied two weeks ago for a permit to march through LaGrange. The Toledo police agreed to escort the group on a one-mile march that would start at noon. Saturday morning, a group of 300 counter-protesters, made up of LaGrange residents of various ethnicities, gathered across the street from the neo-Nazi staging area. Scattered along the same side of the street were about 70 people from outside LaGrange, members of organizations that espoused a wide range of beliefs, from anti-war activists to anarchists and skinheads.

Minutes before noon, elements of the crowd, which had grown with the day, began throwing bottles and rocks at the neo-Nazis. Police on horseback then forced the counter-protesters to move back before firing flash bombs into the crowd.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1118339,00.html?promoid=rss_top

Picture from the rally, posted on the group’s website.

Well, your URL is broken, but I’ll take your word for it.  I hadn’t seen any description of the protest other that the report Rob linked to and that’s what I was going off.  So I’ll eat crow I guess…

Sphagnum said (about the white supremacists)...Sphagnum, by saying things like that, you are doing very little to counter the claim that conservatives are racist.

Oh, come on Dave!  You’re taking the easy low-blow on that, so screw you!  I didn’t say that about white supremacist, I said it about a group that was (according to the report on the top of this thread) peacefully protesting violence of others!  I didn’t say anything about their ulterior motives… And the idea that I need to go out of my way to “counter the claim” of racism is ridiculous!  It’s assuming guilt of conservatism and making it up to me to show I’m different.

Why did the police let these groups anywhere near each other? Why did the Nazi’s get permission for a 1 mile march?

Um… because we have this thing called Free Speech here in America that lets us express our opinions, no matter how ridiculous?

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And yeah, as long as they aren’t actively inciting violence (like, if they had weapons)… you have to let them march.  Best thing to do, actually, is to ignore them.  Don’t even let them see you poke your head out your door.  Or, if you’re black, join the march, and start decrying gang violence, and wait for them to make the first stupid move.

Dave,
(on the baby raping issue),

By not condemning baby rape, you do very little to counter the claim that you are a baby raper.

After all, Aaron didn’t put a disclaimer on his post, so that makes him a racist....right?

You see, your own idiocy can be used against you.

son of America, Sphagnum active supported this White Supremacist group by saying that they did not preach “a message of hate”. This is not “idiocy”, this is calling someone on an egregious statement.

We’re not talking about “baby-raping”, so your accusation makes no sense. However, if I were to have said “NAMBLA’s message doesn’t sound like a message of immorality”, by all means, accuse me of supporting pedophilia.

[...] The “White Supremacists” did not riot in Toledo. They acquired all the necessary permits and permissions and attempted to stage a protest even of the sort that is perfectly acceptable and legal under America’s free speech laws. They were met with an angry mob that threatened, burned, looted and destroyed. [...]

Sphagnum active supported this White Supremacist group by saying that they did not preach “a message of hate”.

Once again, Dave, NO I DID NOT!

I simply pointed out that according to the article, I did not see any hate in their message. Mark pointed to additional information and I retracted.  Are we clear now?

Ha! I was reading that reply in my email and didn’t realize til the last line that that response was to me and not “Crystal”.... hehehe

For some reason I had A Few Good Men on my mind, even though I hate the movie. What gives, eh?

Crystal.

As a member of the ACLU, I’ve often had to explain why I’ve supported the rights of Nazis to march in parades. Of course, in the course of doing so, it has made me especially eager to point out that I do NOT (of course) support the message of the Nazis. So when I see a statement that in any way implies a level of support for Nazism, I am really quick to respond with such derision. My apologies, Sphagnum.

The thing is, the Nazis are right. America should stay white! Niggers are doing nothing but hampering progress for white society. They should be shipped back to Africa where they belong.

Heil Hitler!

I respectfully disagree with your sentiments.

ya...and your little dog too!

You have made everyone here see just what a moron you are. Take your neo-nazi crap and ram it up your ass. I have dealt with your kind before, they are dead, I still walk the earth. Fuck You! Sorry Carol. These idiots bring out the worst in me.

I’d like to order a number 5… extra disagreement.  Hold the respect.

My friend was there and it wasn’t just gang bangers. It started with an action by the ARA (Anti Racist Action) Chapter in the area and then it turned into the riot. They didn’t fuck up their own homes they fucked up the homes of every racist in the area, beat the shit out of cops and fucked up their cars. They looted a 711 when it was convinient too.

There are ARA chapters in every major city look them up on google. Those people are heros and beating the shit out of racists, nazis and police (they’re all synonyms) is fucking awsome.

Get out on the streets.

Mohenjo: I’m sure anarchy and beating cops sounds good to you now, but who, then, do you turn to when your most fevered fastasies come true and all civilized restraints slip away, social structures fall, law is no more, and it’s you on the recieving end of a baseball bat? For most assuredly that is what you and that website your name links to are advocating: nothing less than the destruction of civilized restraint. I bet, in that last fleeting moment, that contemporary American society and its social restraints won’t seem so bad.

Grow up.

From the “25 Points of American National Socialism”:

Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.

Interestingly, from article 18 of the iraqi constitution:

An Iraqi is anyone who has been born to an Iraqi father or an Iraqi mother.

further,

An Iraqi has a right to ownership anywhere in Iraq and no one else has the right to own real estate except what is exempted by law.

so...as Iraqis are now ~80% arab and ~20% kurdish, the constitution for which they are voting effectively limits citizenship by blood (mixed marriage legislation would finish the job), and non-citizens live in Iraq subject to laws for alines (specifically the real estate and property holding stipulations).

Now, aside from the fact that the Iraqi’s are replacing a somewhat more corrupt state than that of America, why do we want them to vote for this?

Why John? Because your selective reading of the constitution aside, it is a relatively good document. Not perfect, but good. You seek to cast a single article as somehow sinister, but it’s not. Nor is it even remotely like the Nazi platform. But hey, you’d actually have to read the whole thing to learn that.

Hey, Mark J? You want an order of freedom fries with that? I got a good fire going here, what with posters from Aryan Bro. and pamphlets from Nation of Islam, I could cook’em up right quick! Got plenty of fuel here. Discredited UN reports burn very nicely, and I have a truck load of junk from something called DNC. Can’t make heads or tails of any of it, so into the woodburner it goes! MMMMMMMMM!! Printalicious!!

Seth,

I have read the whole thing, and overall I don’t feel like it’s a great constitution.  As a stepping stone to a better constitution, maybe.  I understand that my comments were really a huge exaggeration of fact, but I would like more people to actually read it in order to form some opinion of the state we are promoting.

You are too right, John! I have been handing out copies of it to people I know. It is amazing how many people have not enough knowledge of our own constitution to make any comparison between the two. Sad. I ordered 50 pocket edition Constitutions from my local Rep., they were more than happy to help out. Now I am going to hand out copies of each and see what we get.

Well John, limiting land ownership to citizens is, quite unfortunately, not unheard of in the world. I can tell you for a fact that it’s done in Thailand and Laos as well. I’m sure other countries do it to, but to give you a list is going to take more research than I feel inclined to do. So as I said, unfortunate, but not unprecedeneted.

The constitution says that Islam is a source of law, not the source of law. That’s an important semantic difference. Would I choose to include anything like that? Nope, but you can understand how a 97% Muslim country might decide that they do want that provision. It hardly makes a theocratic state--in fact, there are provisions that the state courts are the final arbiters of the law.

There are plenty of good noises in the constitution about the equality of women and religious non-discrimination.

Not perfect, but pretty good. It sets a fairly high bar for the rest of the Middle East. It’s probably the best that could be hoped for at this time in that place. As you said, good as a stepping stone. This is a start, not the end.

I guaruntee you if, and I don’t believe in the “socialist” movement, the nazis ruled toledo streets, it would not be nearly as violent. Before you disagree, why aren’t they turning peaceful NAACP movements into violent agendas? This just comes to show the sensativity and sympathy of American Media towards the black race. Lastly, I am tickled by the fact that the media reported the nazis as such, and the black mob as “protestors”.

Cmon people.