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Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Al Gore Goes Abroad, Bashes America

STOCKHOLM, Sweden -- Former Vice President Al Gore said Wednesday he had no intention of ever running for president again, but he said the United States would be "a different country" if he had won the 2000 election, launching into a scathing attack of the Bush administration.

"I have absolutely no plans and no expectations of ever being a candidate again," Gore told reporters after giving a speech at an economic forum in Sweden.

When asked how the United States would have been different if he had become president, though, he had harsh criticism for Bush's policies.

"We would not have invaded a country that didn't attack us," he said, referring to Iraq. "We would not have taken money from the working families and given it to the most wealthy families."

"We would not be trying to control and intimidate the news media. We would not be routinely torturing people," Gore said. "We would be a different country."


Routinely torturing people? If he's referring to Abu Ghraib its worth remembering that the incident was hardly routine. It was an unfortunate but isolated problem the perpetrators of which have been severely punished for.

If he's referring to the terror detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, he's right. Christina Aguilera music is awful. Were Aguilera around when the Geneva conventions were negotiated I'm quite certain that her music would have been mentioned in them specifically.

Seriously though, mischaracterizing (and subsequently undermining) your own country's policies to the extent that you are making a de-facto allegation of war crimes, to a foreign nation no less, is wildly inappropriate for anyone who has ever considered themselves a leader of the American people.

Gore should be ashamed of himself.

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Gore is a Liberal, they have no shame when it comes to bashing America- and all she stands for.

KurtP on October 12, 2005 at 05:11 pm
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Too bad… I really liked that group too…

Really?  I couldn’t stand them.  I mean, I wanted to shag the fiddle player, but their music sucked.


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Rob on October 12, 2005 at 06:10 pm
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Apparently, Gore didnt’ learn the Dixie Chick lesson… hehe..

Too bad… I really liked that group too…

Sphagnum on October 12, 2005 at 06:10 pm
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Oh, no way!  Godspeed, Traveling Soldier… Some of the best songs… IMHO, anyway

Sphagnum on October 12, 2005 at 06:10 pm
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Gore said nothing about America in the segment you quoted.  He was talking about Bush and his policies.

modern instances on October 12, 2005 at 06:11 pm
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If not reading into something that which is not there is dense, then call me Mr. Lead.

modern instances on October 12, 2005 at 07:10 pm
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No, Arron, he is not dense, that is just a shtick he uses from time to time.

2Hotel9 on October 12, 2005 at 07:10 pm
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You’re awfully dense sometimes, MI…

Sphagnum on October 12, 2005 at 07:11 pm
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Gore is a Liberal, they have no shame when it comes to bashing America- and all she stands for.

When asked how the United States would have been different if he had become president, though, he had harsh criticism for Bush’s policies.

You play a very dangerous game when you equate criticism of one politician’s policies with hatred of one’s country.

Dave on October 12, 2005 at 10:10 pm
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You play a very dangerous game when you equate criticism of one politician’s policies with hatred of one’s country.

Unfortunately it’s not a game and it’s this article of faith which worries me about a Bush led America.

MikeAdamson on October 12, 2005 at 11:10 pm
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Thank God we aren’t a different country if Gore had won. 

No, if Gore had won, that’d be thank ALLAH!@

Gene on October 13, 2005 at 04:10 am
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Welcome to the world of the dense, dave and mike.

modern instances on October 13, 2005 at 04:10 am
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I have seen college brank that are more wack out. 

There should be a more institutionalize and public torture.  No point in teach people a lesson if its not in public. Torture aways and stop apologizing.  There is only one way to teach these people a lesson - if your with us, we will protect you, if not - your life is worthless.  Because let people honest, they are worthless.

Anh on October 13, 2005 at 06:10 am
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So if Al Gore had won the presidency you would have converted to Islam?

Dave on October 13, 2005 at 06:10 am
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We would all have had to convert after President Al Gore (it even hurts to say it) cut, ran and gave up the US to the invaders.

I can’t tell if you’re being serious. Explain the scenario in which “President Al Gore” would have caused 100% of America to convert to Islam.

Dave on October 13, 2005 at 06:11 am
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Dave,

We would all have had to convert after President Al Gore (it even hurts to say it) cut, ran and gave up the US to the invaders.  OH, and AHN, you would have been welcome in the new Al-sahid administration.

Gene on October 13, 2005 at 06:11 am
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Because you prefer to vote for the party that puts their own political ambitons above the interests of the nation?

Because I prefer to NOT vote for the party that puts their own political ambitions above the interests of the nation.

modern instances on October 13, 2005 at 07:10 am
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The Democratic Party of today and their media cohorts will not allow a Republican president to win a war.  Only Democratic presidents, like FDR, are allowed to do anything necessary to win a war.  The Democratic Party will only let you win a war on THEIR terms, otherwise they will do everything in their power to undermine that effort.  That is why Al ‘The Bong” Gore says these things. 

It is more important that they win the next election, so THEY can take credit for winning the war, (after all the media will play cheerleader for them and put a rosy picture on all war related news) than actually winning the war.  It is naked power politics and the reason why I will not vote Democrat anymore.  They put their own political ambitions above the best interest of the nation.  I find that frightening.

Sluggo on October 13, 2005 at 07:10 am
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Good thread...ridiculous commentary while avoiding mean spiritedness. Mostly anyway.

MikeAdamson on October 13, 2005 at 07:10 am
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Because you prefer to vote for the party that puts their own political ambitons above the interests of the nation? Gee, and I thought it was because you wanted those welfare checks to keep coming in to feed your oxygen wasting parasitic needs…

bullwinkle on October 13, 2005 at 07:10 am
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They put their own political ambitions above the best interest of the nation. I find that frightening.

Now you know why I haven’t been voting Republican.
modern instances on October 13, 2005 at 07:10 am
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Dave,

I’m using hyperbole to make a point (kind of).

The left and national defense is why the right must prevail in this world. 

But, if the Mullahs did control the USA thru conquest because of a weak defense do you think you or I would be allowed to practice any religion publicly other than Islam?  Check out Saudi Arabia.  Parts of Indonesia.  Practice Christianity publicly and go to jail is their national policy.

Wait, we’re not far from that right now in America....

So, Hyperbole yes, facts… that’s why these forums exist.

Gene on October 13, 2005 at 07:11 am
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But, if the Mullahs did control the USA thru conquest because of a weak defense do you think you or I would be allowed to practice any religion publicly other than Islam?

No, but that scenario is so ridiculous it does not warrant discussion or consideration.

Dave on October 13, 2005 at 09:11 am
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What I find funniest about this Gore comment:

When asked how the United States would have been different if he had become president, though, he had harsh criticism for Bush’s policies.

“We would not have invaded a country that didn’t attack us,” he said, referring to Iraq. “We would not have taken money from the working families and given it to the most wealthy families.”

“We would not be trying to control and intimidate the news media. We would not be routinely torturing people,” Gore said. “We would be a different country.”

Notice he never said anything about what HE would do… only what he WOULDN’T do.  It’s a sad commentary that there isn’t a single idea he feels compelled to put forth.  Like, would he push for Unviersal Healthcare?  Would he push for Medicare for everyone?  Would he cut the size of our military?  Would he push for gay marriage?  HE doens’t say anything about what HE WOULD do, just what he WOULD NOT do…

Sphagnum on October 13, 2005 at 01:10 pm
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Mr. Lead, I think you may jsut have misread Sluggo’s comment.  He was making that statment in reference to the Democrat party, not the GOP.  The statement isn’t true of the GOP.

Sphagnum on October 13, 2005 at 01:10 pm
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"We would all have had to convert after President Al Gore (it even hurts to say it) cut, ran and gave up the US to the invaders.”
-Posted by Gene on October 13, 2005 at 9:49 am

Which “invaders” might you be talking about?  Last time I checked, we (the US) invaded Iraq.

David on October 13, 2005 at 01:10 pm
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Self-described American anarchist, Karl Hess, who started on the left, went to the right, went back to the right, then left the left, once said “The American Left worships Arab culture, because they see Arab societies as pre-capitalist.  They are reflexively anti-American.” When I hear the American Left these days, Karl Hess’s words haunt me.

Karl Hess was a very intelligent man, and an important figure in Libertarian politics.  Keep in mind this article was published in 1969.

Sluggo on October 13, 2005 at 01:11 pm
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He isn’t bashing America specifically.  The problem is that he is traveling overseas and making WAY OVER THE TOP statements about our President.  It’s one thing for him to disagree; it’s another thing to disagree vocally; it’s even another thing to make outrageous statements in your disagreement; it’s quite outrageous to do so overseas.

Get it now?

Sphagnum on October 13, 2005 at 01:11 pm
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At the risk of sounding “dense”, can someone point out specifically where Al Gore “bashes” America in this statement?

David on October 13, 2005 at 01:11 pm
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Here is the link to the article, I don’t know why it didn’t post.

href="http://fare.tunes.org/books/Hess/dop.html”

Sluggo on October 13, 2005 at 02:10 pm
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At the risk of sounding “dense”, can someone point out specifically where Al Gore “bashes” America in this statement?

For me it was the part where he claimed that we “routinely” torture people.  That doesn’t happen, and its an awful thing to say about our troops and the job they’re doing.


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Rob on October 13, 2005 at 05:10 pm
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Mr. Lead, I think you may jsut have misread Sluggo’s comment. He was making that statment in reference to the Democrat party, not the GOP. The statement isn’t true of the GOP.

It must be so reassuring to believe that.

modern instances on October 13, 2005 at 05:11 pm
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Notice he never said anything about what HE would do… only what he WOULDN’T do.

So, in a speech immediately after declaring that he WOULDN’T run for president, he did NOT lay out set of specific policies he would implement? Why, the unmitigated gall!!!

Dave on October 13, 2005 at 06:10 pm
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Maybe what’s needed is a term weaker than “routinely” but stronger than “bad applish”.

MikeAdamson on October 13, 2005 at 06:10 pm
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Because, Dave, he was asked specifically what would be different had he been elected President.  The question was not what Bush policies he did not like or would reverse, it was what HE would do…

Sphagnum on October 13, 2005 at 08:10 pm
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