Say Anything Blog

Isn’t it obvious what they expect him to do?

Bush is a Christian.  Christ calmed storms just by ordering them to be calm, and there’s evidence in the Bible that his followers were able to perform miracles by calling on His name.  Therefore, the media wants Bush to fly into the path of the storm and order it, in the name of Christ, to calm down.  Either Bush looks really dumb (and possibly dies), or the storm doesn’t kill anyone.  That’s a win-win scenario for the media, because it’s a heck of a story either way.

Well, the hurricane is spinning to the right, isn’t it?

This is Aravosis, he actually advertises the fact that he studied under Albright.

He’s a left-wing loon who will blame everything he can on Bush. Like President Bush isn’t making any preparations as we speak. He’s just kicking back clearing brush.

And Rob, your wrong, any natural disasters that happen during Bush’s presidency is political to the cretins over at wehateAmericaBlog.

Aravosis and is ilk make me want to puke.

I question the timing of this hurricane given Bush’s latest poll numbers.

You know that as soon as it’s over, he’s going to go down there and tell the workers that we’re going to go get the people who did this to us.  Then, he’ll put into action the plan for invading Neptune that the GOP has had on the shelf for years.

I question the timing of this hurricane given Bush’s latest poll numbers.

There is nothing political about this hurricane.

I agree 100%.

You know now that you mention it you may be correct, I mean look at the facts. Most hurricanes pop up in the middle of the Atlantic this one appeared mysteriously and rapidly in the Bahamas and then missed just barely touched biggest target, the giant penis called Flori - DUH.

Gosh I never though about the 12 hour aspect of it as well. I am sure that they will say that they have these voo doo machines that can project a storms potential path. However think about it what makes more sense technology or Cheney and Haliburton, DUHHHHH anything thinking person knows the answer is Cheney and Haliburton.

I stand corrected, now the next thing you know some dumb ass with the IQ of pudding will get on sayanything and make stupid statements about lynching people and where is Likwad when we need a good “whats your point or leave stupid”

richard, are you serious?  All this shows is that Bush and Rove created this hurricane in order to divert the media’s attention from Cindy’s “Absolute Moral Authority Tour ‘05”, which in itself is a Rovian decoy to divert attention away from the real story - Halliburton dominance of the world’s oil markets and Dick Cheney’s control of the American government on behalf of Columbian crack cocaine dealers...and the Jews. Don’t believe me?  Well answer this; how else could Bush have declared a disaster area a full 12 HOURS prior to Katrina making landfall in that area?
And don’t tell me it’s not true; your denials only prove my point!

any natural disasters that happen during Bush’s presidency is political to the cretins over at wehateAmericaBlog.

Next, they’ll be trying to politicize 9/11!  Oh, wait . . .

I gotta say that I think Bush actually was well ahead of the curve this time, FEMA was activated well before the storm hit, aid was already being arranged for. Some previous Presidents from both sides of the aisle waited until after storms hit to do this.

Maybe after the ass kicking Mother Nature gave us last year we are actually learning, now if we can just acknowledge that our weather patterns are changing and that we may be the cause of it.

This is God’s punishment for voting Republican.

or NASCAR.

Richard, you are so right! Weather patterns are changing! There has never been a hurricane in August! We are all gonna die because Chimpy MacHitlerBurton is eating big macs! It is the Apocalypse!! Get a clue. Hurricanes behave just like they always have. And this is not the worst season in recorded history. Hyperbole fueled by the never ending news cycle.

modern instances said, Well, the hurricane is spinning to the right, isn’t it?

Yeah...they tend to do that in the northern hemisphere.

This is God’s punishment for voting Republican.

I always knew that you had a complex. Speaking for God now, huh?

richard said, Maybe after the ass kicking Mother Nature gave us last year we are actually learning, now if we can just acknowledge that our weather patterns are changing and that we may be the cause of it.

Or we may not. There’s far from enough known information to make a case either way.

...and where is Likwad when we need a good “whats your point or leave stupid”

I’m right here Dick. Calm down, I think that Cardinals Nation was just joking. Take a chill pill or something. Breathe deeply. You’ll be okay.

The globe warms, the globe cools. Have you ever heard of a little thing called geology, the study of the past behavior of the planetary surface and sub-surface. You spout eco-BS then you get tarred with that brush. In the last 15,000 years the globe has warmed and cooled much more than the current cycle. Get over yourselves, you are not so important as to effect the global enviroment. And don’t come screeching about your"evidence". It is at best ambiguous, at worst total BS.

My point simple enough be aware of your surroundings the Ocean is warming the polar caps are shrinking, I do not know this for fact but my gut tells me this is not good and doing nothing about it scares me personally.

What would we do and why do you think we should do something?

Wow you forgot to say pink stain again and an even bigger wow a global tax. I do not quit buy that, but if there were to be the first global tax wouldn’t it be funny if it was put in place to help save the earth?

I do not know that it is not a natural occurence. George Carlin once said isn’t everything natural when you really get down to it. Man is part of nature.

I do know these things are facts. Rain forests are shrinking, polar caps are shrinking, there are brown clouds over cities where there were once blue sky’s and damn if it does not seem to warming up I know the ocean’s defintely are. If this all mother nature then so be it, but let’s make sure.

If this all mother nature then so be it, but let’s make sure.

And really, isn’t this the point?  What I often hear from the right is “there is no problem, and to even suggest there might be a problem means you’re a moron and anti-American.” Ok, so I’m exaggerating a little, but not much.  It is a basic fact that the industrial age has not been around for very long, and it is possible that the spike in pollution and population may be having a deleterious effect on the environment.  Why is it such a bad thing to even contemplate this?

Wow you have data that goes back 15,000 years I would love to see it. Last I checked the actual data that has been tracked shows a definite warming trend.

You know I grow weary of you adding and subtracting from peoples post as you see fit, where did I ever say evidence. I think I have gone to great pains to say I am not an expert and I do not know for sure I am just simply going from what I see out of my window and the gut feeling that we are just dumb enough to kill the very thing that sustains us.

I do know I would like to see the U.S. take a more active role, maybe even a leadership role in reducing green house gasses globally. Our current stance seems to be in opposistion to any efforts to do this.

Our current stance is against the U.N. socialist ideas and the U.N. goal of getting the entire world on a carbon tax scheme.

I also feel that my parents a passing on huge national debts to my children, I do not want to see their children have to deal with why the planet warmed up because of us not doing anything about it.

Why do you assume that we are doing it and why do you assume that we could do something about it to reverse or stop it? What if this is just a natural occurance? Would you even want to mess with it if it was a natural occurance?

Lik I have heard many ideas from it is all hokie science to run for your life the end is near. Frankly I am not personally sure of what to do. I do know I would like to see the U.S. take a more active role, maybe even a leadership role in reducing green house gasses globally. Our current stance seems to be in opposistion to any efforts to do this.

I also feel that my parents a passing on huge national debts to my children, I do not want to see their children have to deal with why the planet warmed up because of us not doing anything about it.

Oh and by the way this is not what the post was about again I was just trying to follow cardinals joking around.

As the norm 2h9 you ad words to fit your slant. I never said this was the worst hurricane season recorded. My point simple enough be aware of your surroundings the Ocean is warming the polar caps are shrinking, I do not know this for fact but my gut tells me this is not good and doing nothing about it scares me personally.

Lik you think cardinal was joking news flash for you I know he was and 95% of my response was keeping in step with his joke.

richard said, Wow you forgot to say pink stain again and an even bigger wow a global tax. I do not quit buy that...

What do you think the Kyoto Protocol is about? It’s a carbon tax scheme. The U.N. tried to get the entire world to sign on.

Richard,

I do know these things are facts.

With this, you suggest that you have some proof of the following.

Rain forests are shrinking

I guess this is true… yet we have more trees in the US today than we did before the Pilgrims arrived.

polar caps are shrinking

I hear a lot of things that are contrary to this statement.

The Antarctic Ice Sheet is Growing

A new study appearing in Science (January 18, 2002) concludes that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) is thickening, rather than thinning as was previously thought. Earlier studies found that in the Ross Sea Sector, “The grounding line (the point where the ice sheet loses contact with its bed and begins to float) has retreated nearly 1300 km along the western side of the Ross Embayment,” since the last glacial maximum.

For every one of the pages that say the ice sheet is growing there is one that says it’s shrinking.  The fact is that we do not know what is going on and mucking with it is likely to do more damage.  Not to mention that the Earth is a bit closer to the Sun and the Sun is a bit warmer than normal (a pattern that is scientifically recognized). 

there are brown clouds over cities where there were once blue sky’s

Sure, but the net effect is WHAT?  We all respond emotionally to this stuff, but if we ask the question logically… What is the end effect?  We still don’t know.  I’m all for cleaner alternatives, but I’m not for legislating changes that only serve to increase the burden of operating.  We don’t know what effect or impact different gas blends have on reducing the greenhouse effect, but we legislate that we have to use them.  All that does is increase the cost of the fuel with no known gains.

damn if it does not seem to warming up

I know the ocean’s defintely are.

That’s the news I have read.  But I wonder if that’s linked to the Sun being warmer?

If this all mother nature then so be it, but let’s make sure.

Why is it such a bad thing to even contemplate this?

It’s not, but the Enviro-nuts have us making 17 different varieties of gas with no additional refineries.  Laws get passed which put restrictions on stuff (Kyoto among many others) without knowing what the effect is one way or another.  All these laws end up doing is costing us more.  But they sure sound nice, which is all the enviro-nuts want.  They are emotional people who react emotionally

I am all for a logical, fact based, study.  If we are not yet smart enough to draw a real conclusion, then that is the answer.  We don’t yet know.  Again, we should be looking for cleaner fuel all the time.

I always thought it was about reducing greenhouse gas emissions on a global basis.

Well that is the nicely stated intent. I was calling it by it’s mechanism.

Care to explain why you think this is a tax?

Carbon is taxed. Each nation is allowed a set amount and when that amount is reached, each ton afterwards is taxed at some amount which is different for each country. What would you call that? Also, a big part of the agreement is that some countries have to supply money and technology to other countries. It’s all one big redistribution of wealth scheme that will do nothing, by the UN’s own admission, to help “global warming”.

I am mostly with ya there Seth you can always find one scientist that will disagree with any point, my experience is about half are on one side the other half the other.

First I do not recall there ever being any rain forests in North America. I agree that we probably do better than most countries do with replanting and rotating cutting schedules. I do not think we share this infromation very well. Clear cutting our rain forests in my mind can not be good the soil is just about useless once the trees are gone.

I think (again I am not sure) that extreme swings are part of the greenhouse effect i:e warmer summers, colder winters.

I read several stories recently about shrinking and expending of the polar caps. The one story that really stuck with me was one about a couple of huge bergs splitting away from Antartica about the middle of this year, one was about 100 or so miles long and about 50 wide.
Now I do not know if that is normal or not but it struck me as rather large.

As far as the rest of it I agree legislation tends to be knee jerk at best and most of the time causes more harm than good, you know the politicians and wet dreams theory really applies here.

What do you think the Kyoto Protocol is about? It’s a carbon tax scheme. The U.N. tried to get the entire world to sign on.

I always thought it was about reducing greenhouse gas emissions on a global basis. Each country has a target to meet..I believe that your United States’ target was a 7% reduction while Iceland gets to increase emissions by 10%. Nations get credit when emissions meet the targets and these credits can be sold on an open market to nations that don’t meet their targets.

Care to explain why you think this is a tax?

Carol I think that was part of the joke after all Hurricane season goes into November I believe.

lik said

Carbon is taxed. Each nation is allowed a set amount and when that amount is reached, each ton afterwards is taxed at some amount which is different for each country.

Interesting. Who do they pay the tax to?

There has never been a hurricane in August!

I believe Hurrican Andrew hit Homestead AFB in Florida on August 18 in ‘91 or ‘92

Richard:

First I do not recall there ever being any rain forests in North America

I’m with Seth on this one.  I get really irritated when science gets abused by lay people and biased researchers with political agenda.  It ends up really bad policy that can have a huge negative impact economically, without really having the desired environmental impact.  A perfect example of this is the Kyoto Protocol.  The Copenhagen Consensus Project had this to say, for example:

The panel looked at three proposals, including the Kyoto Protocol, for dealing with climate change by reducing emissions of carbon. The expert panel regarded all three proposals as having costs that were likely to exceed the benefits. The panel recognised that global warming must be addressed, but agreed that approaches based on too abrupt a shift toward lower emissions of carbon are needlessly expensive. The experts expressed an interest in an alternative, proposed in one of the opponent papers, that envisaged a carbon tax much lower in the first years of implementation than the figures called for in the challenge paper, rising gradually in later years. Such a proposal however was not examined in detail in the presentations put to the panel, and so was not ranked. The panel urged increased funding for research into more affordable carbon-abatement technologies.

My thoughts on addressing the potential human impact on global warming (a 10,000 year old trend after all) is that we need to use a bottom-up rather than a top-down approach.  Top-down in this case means a governmental fiat like “we will not permit further global warming” followed apparently by a miracle to make it happen. The “bottom-up” approach offers economic incentives to develop nonpolluting alternative energy sources.  This includes hydrogen fuel cell, improved hybrid electric-gas technologies, subsidies and and R&D money for synthetic nonpolluting fuels.

That said, there is no doubt that the massive quantities of CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere are having an effect on the environment.  We just aren’t quite sure what that effect is as yet.  Pinning down the effects (good or bad) will certainly aid us in making wise choices about how to best spend our limited resources on future R&D rather than needlessly damaging the economies of industrialized nations.

MikeAdamson asked, Interesting. Who do they pay the tax to?

I’m going to go out on a wild guess here and say the UN.

Uh no they don’t they ask for pledges. Which the last I checked most nations including ours doesn’t meet anyway.

lik...At the expense of appearing contrary I doubt very much that the UN will tax nations who don’t meet their targets since the UN doesn’t have taxation powers. I don’t know what the consequences are...probably some international appeals panel of some sort.

lik…At the expense of appearing contrary I doubt very much that the UN will tax nations who don’t meet their targets since the UN doesn’t have taxation powers.

Where do you think they get their money? They don’t produce anything to make that money. They tax nations.

Ooohhooohoh I know the commie bastards bent on world domination, they are just to dumb to know that, that is our job.

Do you want a waaaa burger with those cries?

Was there a need for that Mike? I was just stating some hard facts and a potent observation. Just remember the facts the next time you go off on America, okay? It was for the people out there who always cry about America “not giving enough”.

It’s in America’s interest to belong to the UN so I guess you’re stuck with it.

Really? It seems that it is in the world’s interest more than it is ours simply for the fact that we pay the bills. The UN is largely just a bunch of thugs in suits who think they’re statesmen.

lik...it’s a minor point...let’s save the scrapping for good stuff.

lik…it’s a minor point…let’s save the scrapping for good stuff.

Egh..I’m an American. We pay a much bigger chunk of the UN’s disgusting budget than any other nation on Earth. 5% of the world’s population pays about 22% of the U.N.’s budget. 5% of the world’s population pays 56% of the World Food Program budget. American citizens don’t give this money of their own volition. We are taxed. And then we are shit on by many people in the world as “not giving enough”.

Do you want a waaaa burger with those cries? It’s in America’s interest to belong to the UN so I guess you’re stuck with it.

As for the rest…I heartily disagree but that’s okay, right?

It’s easy for you. You’re a Canadian who enjoys being north of the world’s richest and greatest nation. You get free protection and riches. I guess it is okay. It just depends on what side of the border you are on.

Was there a need for that Mike?

Just joking around...my apologies.

As for the rest...I heartily disagree but that’s okay, right?

must...not...respond....holding....back...teeth...clenched…
try...not ...to...be...unduly...uncontrary…

One of the benefits of living in the Americas is that the U.S. doesn’t take kindly to the rest of the World poking around in its backyard. America is a very wealthy country filled with entrepreneurial spirit and admirable creativity. America has done wonderful things in and for the World and doesn’t get the credit it deserves for its good deeds.

One of the benefits of living in the Americas is that the U.S. doesn’t take kindly to the rest of the World poking around in its backyard. America is a very wealthy country filled with entrepreneurial spirit and admirable creativity. America has done wonderful things in and for the World and doesn’t get the credit it deserves for its good deeds.

Now you sound like an American. Welcome to the greatest club in the world. Stick around.