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Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Pentagon Offering Mission Names On Tombstones

Looks like the media is slant the facts of yet another story into a jab at the Bush administration.

Troops' Gravestones Have Pentagon Slogans

ARLINGTON, Va. - Unlike earlier wars, nearly all Arlington National Cemetery gravestones for troops killed in Iraq or Afghanistan are inscribed with the slogan-like operation names the Pentagon selected to promote public support for the conflicts.

Families of fallen soldiers and Marines are being told they have the option to have the government-furnished headstones engraved with "Operation Enduring Freedom" or "Operation Iraqi Freedom" at no extra charge, whether they are buried in Arlington or elsewhere. A mock-up shown to many families includes the operation names.

The vast majority of military gravestones from other eras are inscribed with just the basic, required information: name, rank, military branch, date of death and, if applicable, the war and foreign country in which the person served.


These aren't "slogans." Calling them that makes it sound as though this were some sort of crass political maneuver. I don' think it is. It seems like a perfectly reasonable and respectful thing, to me, for the military to offer the option of having the name of the mission the soldier died in engraved into his or her tombstone for posterity.

Unfortunately, the mission names have been engraved on a few tombstones without the family being asked.

Families are supposed to have final approval over what goes on the tombstones. That hasn't always happened.

Nadia and Robert McCaffrey, whose son Patrick was killed in Iraq in June 2004, said "Operation Iraqi Freedom" ended up on his government-supplied headstone in Oceanside, Calif., without family approval.

"I was a little taken aback," Robert McCaffrey said, describing his reaction when he first saw the operation name on Patrick's tombstone. "They certainly didn't ask my wife; they didn't ask me." He said Patrick's widow told him she had not been asked either.

"In one way, I feel it's taking advantage to a small degree," McCaffrey said. "Patrick did not want to be there, that is a definite fact."


That's unfortunate, but the article is missing a few details. Like whether or not the military offered to replace the headstone (which I'm guessing they probably did, or would have had the family requested it). Or why Patrick would have volunteered for the military if he didn't really want to, you know, serve in the military. Add that to the fact that the McCaffreys, being anti-Bush and anti-war activists, aren't exactly the most unbiased people in the world to ask about this and you begin to see how this article was slanted. Their opinions matter, certainly, but it would have been nice to hear from a few other military families as well.

So thus far the article has made it seem as though the White House and the Pentagon are using the headstones of our soldiers for propaganda. Yet what do we find in the thirteenth paragraph of the article? We finally learn that the option of having the soldier's mission name engraved on his or her tombstone has always been an option, just one that hasn't always been followed:

VA officials say neither the Pentagon nor White House exerted any pressure to get families to include the operation names. They say families always had the option of including information like battle or operation names, but didn't always know it.

"It's just the right thing to do and it always has been, but it hasn't always been followed," said Dave Schettler, director of the VA's memorial programs service.


Well that certainly puts a different spin on this whole story, doesn't it? Of course, these particular facts will be largely ignored by the media and leftist demagogues when they turn this story into "Bush Using Tombstones For Propaganda!"

Update:

The ruse is working as war critics take up the mantle on this story without spending much time considering the facts.

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Rob said:

These aren’t “slogans.” Calling them that makes it sound as though this were some sort of crass political maneuver.

That’s EXACTLY what they were saying:

slogan-like operation names the Pentagon selected to promote public support for the conflicts.

So the pentagon selects catchy names… like show tunes, to peak the publics interest and elicit positive support.  Why not call them something better? 

How’s Operation “free the poor and downtrodden”?

Operation - We’ll be nice if you give up Osama.

Operation - Aren’t those cool planes?

Operation - Mickey Mouse

Operation - Superman

Operation - Bubble Gum & Cotton Candy

Operation - Oil Rub (my favorite)

Looks like the media is slant the facts of yet another story into a jab at the Bush administration.

bad sentence, I think you missed the word trying… but that’s a guess.
Seth Yantiss on August 23, 2005 at 12:08 pm
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Hey, spelling and penmanship have been my biggest shortcomings since I was a small child, so that IS a big step for me!

Sphagnum on August 23, 2005 at 04:08 pm
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Calling them that makes it sound as though this were some sort of crass political maneuver.

No beef with Rob’s post, I was simply pointing out that the article IS a “crass political maneuver”, rather than the operation names.  Then I tried to think of some names that the author wouldn’t have objected with.

Good job, by the way!  That’s a big step for you! wink

Seth Yantiss on August 23, 2005 at 04:08 pm
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Rob said:

These aren’t “slogans.” Calling them that makes it sound as though this were some sort of crass political maneuver.

That’s EXACTLY what they were saying:

slogan-like operation names the Pentagon selected to promote public support for the conflicts.

I’m confused, Seth.  Rob is saying that the operation titles aren’t slogans and the article wants to paint them as such.  And that’s the way it comes across to me… What am I missing?

As an aside,I just want to congratulate myself on typing three full comments without making a spelling error, at least not one that the Check Spelling button caught wink

Sphagnum on August 23, 2005 at 04:09 pm
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Remember these:
Operation Restore Democracy
Operation Urgent Fury
Operation Just Cause

WOOF on August 23, 2005 at 06:08 pm
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Having never been to Arlington, I’ve never really seen the stones up close. For some reason I had it in my head that the name of the war was always on the stone. I’m not sure why you would find that objectionable, 2H9.

Seth Williams on August 23, 2005 at 06:08 pm
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I am curious, why no mission name?

I don’t really have an opinion about the name of the mission on the Tomb, just the way the story was reported.  What’s your take?

Seth Yantiss on August 23, 2005 at 06:08 pm
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I have to say I don’t like this. Name,Rank, Branch of service, period of sevice, DOB, DOD. That is all that should be on that stone. This just ain’t right. When I am at Arlington this fall, I will see if it is true.

2Hotel9 on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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I’m a little concerned that all we have anymore are “operations” and not “wars.” Course it’s cause the Pres can go to “operation” without the consent of the congress.

modern instances on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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What’s that, “war games” in Bangkok?

HA!

Well, I was thinking ‘“Rub" out Saddam for Oil’ Thus, “Oil Rub”, which sounds way more fun… smile

Seth Yantiss on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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WOOF: I remembered two of them and looked the other one up.

Operation Restore Democracy—invasion of Haiti to restore Aristide to the Presidency in support of UN Resolution 940

Operation Urgent Fury—invasion of Grenada to restore democracry after a coup and thawrt Cuba from basing military units and supplies in an effort to export Marxism

Operation Just Cause—invasion of Panama to oust narco-dictator Noriega after Panama declared war on the US

All fine moments for America and its armed forces. Was that your point?

Seth Williams on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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Here are pictures of tombstones in Arlington showing the mission names.


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Rob on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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Seth: “Operation - Oil Rub”

What’s that, “war games” in Bangkok?

Seth Williams on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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When I was at Arlington many tombstones had the name of the war (WWII, etc.) on them.  But this wasn’t uniform, if I was remembering correctly.

I’m not sure why anybody would object to it, as long as its a choice for the soldier and/or family.


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Rob on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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Majority of stones do not list conflict or specific war that they died in. Some do. In cemetaries you often have markers placed by local groups or families, often they list WW1,WW11, Korea, sometimes VietNam. Replacment stones for older graves now list Civil War, Revolutionary War, War of 1812. That is all irrelevent. It is the name. That is what matters. Crap. Just read this. I ain’t getting the point across. Troop don’t give a fuck about where. It is the name that matters. Later.

2Hotel9 on August 23, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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2H9: you’re, as you often are, correct that the troop wouldn’t give a crap. But I don’t think that they would find it offensive either (speculation alert), and if the family finds some comfort in it I see no harm done.

Seth Williams on August 23, 2005 at 07:08 pm
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Sorry. This is an emotionally charged time for this subject. Just buried a friend last Friday.

2Hotel9 on August 24, 2005 at 03:09 am
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Sorry to hear that 2H9.


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Rob on August 24, 2005 at 05:09 am
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My deepest condolences.

Seth Williams on August 24, 2005 at 05:09 pm
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Thanks. He had a good run. He was 81, 28 of those US Navy. As I mentioned to you, Rob, yesterday. I will be needing a new ammo dealer. He was my hardrice supplier, and one of our hunting crew. He was not good for much walking, but made up for it with a Weatherby that had a monstrous scope. And had some good hunting stories, from 5 continents. Will be missed.

2Hotel9 on August 24, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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[...] An AP headline causes a stir: “Troops’ Gravestones Have Pentagon Slogans”; the names of U.S. military operations—Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom—can be placed on the stones free of charge, if the family wishes. TalkLeft points out one problem: “The Pentagon claims to give families of the fallen approval over the contents of the gravestones, but that hasn’t always happened.” Desert Storm vet James Joyner: “To the extent this is controversial, it is that we are using silly propagandistic names to begin with. But that is not an invention of the Bush Administration.” Conservative Say Anything: “These aren’t ‘slogans.’ Calling them that makes it sound as though this were some sort of crass political maneuver.” Liberal Ugga Bugga: “This White House politicizes everything.” [...]

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This is regarding corruption in the Pentagon, White House and Dept. of State.  Specifically the hijacking of US foreign policy by US bsed Zionists.
It seems some progress has been made at the Pentagon by changing the top three in their leadership roles in the Pentagon.  The harm they have caused the United States is immeasurable, while their actions unilaterally have helped Israel.  The war on terror is a confabulation for the US (who, through controlled demolition, blew up the World Trade Center towers, WTC7 anyway?) to become arab and muslim-phobic and to have public justification to fight Israel’s war by proxy.  I think finally the American people are beginning to realize this and theiy are livid.  Next on the agenda should be to clean up the White House and State Department.

david steinberg on January 21, 2007 at 02:54 am

The war on terror is a confabulation for the US (who, through controlled demolition, blew up the World Trade Center towers, WTC7 anyway?) to become arab and muslim-phobic and to have public justification to fight Israel’s war by proxy.

This is called making up your own reality as you go along.

likwidshoe on January 21, 2007 at 04:29 am
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