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Then someone should point her in the direction of a therapist. She clearly has some issues.

Because she’s a Wiccan or because she has a more liberal interpretation of the First Amendment than you?

Maybe somebody should notify Darla Wynne the “Wiccan priestess” to the fact that “separation of church and state” doesn’t exist. Then someone should point her in the direction of a therapist. She clearly has some issues.

Because she’s a Wiccan or because she has a more liberal interpretation of the First Amendment than you?

Neither. She has issues because she believes that the city should pay for her soapbox performance. Anyone who would sue over something so trivial has got to have some kind of superiority complex.

Clearly seperation of Church and State does exist she won.

Clearly seperation of Church and State does exist she won.

Ah, but that’s where you’re wrong, my friend.  Separation of church and state exists only in the minds of some activist judges.

Therefore it exists

Richard said, Clearly seperation of Church and State does exist she won.

So something exists if a judge sees it?  Wow...the fun you could have with that power, eh?

As an aside, can you point me to where the “seperation of Church and State” part exists?

Yep judges have that power and yep they abuse it sometimes. Question who would you go to determine when the government is not seperating church and state, I do not think your postman would be helpful.

The praying part is the church the fact that they cn not do it is the seperation.

The praying part is the church the fact that they cn not do it is the seperation.

Richard, Please don’t take it personally when I call you an idiot. 

There is NO separation of church and state.  The amendment states that “the State shall make no law establishing religion"…

There was no law being made.  These people were only expressing their constitutional right to express themselves and their religious views as they see fit.  This woman CHOOSE to be offended by it, and some asshat judge agreed.

Not offended. And although I can see your point my idiotic view is, that they were establishing a religion by starting a government function with a prayer and not just the judge agreed the appeals courts obviously thought the judgement was correct.

The praying part is the church the fact that they cn not do it is the seperation.

Riiiiiight.  So where is this “separation of church and state”?  I hear so much about it. I’d love to see it.

Not offended.

That’s GOOD!  I’m in a persnickety mood today and just feel like being… well… an ARSE.

And although I can see your point my idiotic view is, that they were establishing a religion by starting a government function with a prayer and not just the judge agreed the appeals courts obviously thought the judgement was correct.

yeah, well, there’s no accounting for taste.

I would see you point, if the council openly opposed ALL OTHER religions from their own prayer ritual.  In this country, we are not supposed to endorse a specific religion… The Atheists have become a religious movement with their religion being the absence of other religions.  Thus, this ruling FAVORS the Atheist religion and thus, breaks the law…

Just because they found (imagine it) another liberal judge to agree with that, doesn’t mean it’s right.

Here is a fresh approach. Tell this bitch to fuck off. Judge too.

"The Atheists have become a religious movement with their religion being the absence of other religions.”

Seth, if you are going to use that particular definition of religion -

‘thing to which one is devoted’

rather than the conventional definition -

‘belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. god or gods’

then you don’t need me to tell you that it covers absolutely every single form of human activity, and that your point is therefore slightly meaningless?

Question guys and I know that this could be construed as changing the topic so I apologize in advance.

I have no issue with this.

How do you achieve freedom of religion when a government body only practices one?

As long as they “Make no laws establishing religion” I don’t care what they “practice”.  I happen to think that religious people have stronger moral convictions than those without religion.  Some of those convictions I agree with, some I don’t, but when they run for office, they put their ideas out there and let the populace decide if they like the ideas.

If we do not like the philosophies of an official then we shouldn’t vote them into office.  Officials should wear their opinions and convictions on their shirt sleeve.

Mark,

Seth, if you are going to use that particular definition of religion -

‘thing to which one is devoted’

rather than the conventional definition -

‘belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. god or gods’

then you don’t need me to tell you that it covers absolutely every single form of human activity, and that your point is therefore slightly meaningless?

Do the Wiccan’s believe in a superhuman controlling power?  (sort-of)
Do the Buddhists?

The Atheists who strive to remove all other religions from the public square are Atheist fanatics or extremists.  They have taken Atheism to a different level.  They are evangelical Atheists.  They have formed their own religion in which no other religion is tolerated. 

Religion is that which you have faith in.  Atheists have faith in themselves.  Tell me again how this isn’t a religion?

I do agree that there is a certain morality to be found while practicing some religions, I would also say that there is a certain percentage of corruption in religion.

When have you ever seen a politician wear anything on their sleeve they say and do whatever is needed to get into office.

Richard said, They could of avoided this whole thing by having a moment of silence where anybody could pray by themselves to any God they see fit or not pray.

Rule by most easily offended.

Religion is that which you have faith in. Atheists have faith in themselves.

I’ve always admired atheists.  It must take a lot of faith.

So you are telling me that there was open debate as to which prayers would be used. In addition to that they offered the witch chick the opportunity to do whatever it is that she does prior to the meeting. I can just imagine the looks on some of their faces when the Voo Doo guy rips the guts out of a chicken (I do not know that they do that really)

They are not stopping them, they do not give anybody else the chance because after all if you do not believe in their form of religion you are wrong anyway.

The arrogance of everybody must believe in form of the after life or they are wrong is what I am offended by.

I thought this post was about this woman using the courts to steal 65,000 dollars.

I would be willing to bet that this is a very white bread christian group of people (do not know for sure) and although your point of exclusion may be accurate I am sure that they never even considered another religion, this in my mind is exclusionary.

They could of avoided this whole thing by having a moment of silence where anybody could pray by themselves to any God they see fit or not pray.

I may have missed the part about right or wrong, I thought the post was about separation of church and state.

It is what it is Likwid.

I do not know that she will ever recover her money. Must be nice to have that much available to make a point.

Question guys and I know that this could be construed as changing the topic so I apologize in advance.

How do you achieve freedom of religion when a government body only practices one?

Richard asked, How do you achieve freedom of religion when a government body only practices one?

How does a government body practicing a religion take away freedom of religion?  The real question to ask: Is the government preventing people from practicing or expressing their religion?  The answer here is no.

Yeah I heard there was the kid the other day at band camp he watched Harry Potter like 50 times and then he like all of the sudden got magical powers and used them for evil instead of good.

Seriously though Seth made what in my mind is the hole point here. Most of the “christians” that I have been exposed to are very intolerant to other religions and from what I’ve seen the reason why is that their religion teaches them to do that.

"Do the Wiccan’s believe in a superhuman controlling power? (sort-of). Do the Buddhists?”

Absolutely. But that’s not really relevant to my point.

“The Atheists who strive to remove all other religions from the public square are Atheist fanatics or extremists.”

I’m sure such people exist. But this is slightly different from your original statement -

“The Atheists have become a religious movement with their religion being the absence of other religions”

Which implies that all atheists are intolerant. Which is factually incorrect, given that I am an atheist (or more correctly, a stringent agnostic) yet have no desire to enforce my beliefs on anyone else, nor wish to stop anyone else believing what they want.

Whether you meant to imply that or not, I am unsure.

“Religion is that which you have faith in. Atheists have faith in themselves.”

I am unsure what you mean by this last comment. Perhaps you could clarify it a little before I respond to it?

When have you ever seen a politician wear anything on their sleeve they say and do whatever is needed to get into office.

That’s too often the case… But, Rick Santorum states what he believes in and asks you to decide if he’s the right person to represent you.  I think there are more “honest” politicians on the right than on the left.  By honest, I mean telling you what they believe in and letting you decide if you want that opinion in the office.

I’ve always admired atheists. It must take a lot of faith.

Yup, It’s a hard faith to keep.  I have always considered myself an Atheist… But I am FAR FAR FAR from convicted to that philosophy.  I just don’t know.  I question my own religion constantly… thus I try not to mock or disdain anyone Else’s.

My wife, who is devoutly Christian won’t allow our kids to see the Harry Potter movies or read the books because she opposed witch-craft.  To me this is not a very tolerant or educated view, but as long as she’s not making laws that prohibit other from expressing their own religion… who cares what she thinks.

"the area’s citizens ... were, for the most part, in favor of the battle.”

But, you know, it required a legal battle and Judges.  Does the concept of VOTING not come to people, or did they not really have “most” citizens?  I mean, if an elected official ignores “most” of his constituents, he/she won’t be an “elected” official for long I’d suspect.

If you decide this cannot wait for the next ballot for town council, and its worth $65K for you to get this NOW by Judicial action… then you made your choice.

So… either they are lying about the support they have from the people; or they’re too fanatical to even let it wait a few months for a vote.  Somehow I don’t see paying their court costs for either of the possible situations.

The amendment states that “the State shall make no law establishing religion”

Actually, this is wrong.  The 1st amendment states that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of religion.  It doesn’t say a thing about the states making laws concerning religions.

I can’t speak for this state’s constitution (or the municipal laws of this scity), but as far as the 1st amendment is concerned there is nothing wrong with a city council praying prior to meetings.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Sorry for the delay, I saw this but didn’t have the time to respond.

“Do the Wiccan’s believe in a superhuman controlling power? (sort-of). Do the Buddhists?”

Absolutely. But that’s not really relevant to my point.

Well, yes and no… I just reread the article and realized that she was wiccan, I was thinking that she was Atheist for much of the past few posts.  As with the father (I can’t think of the guys name) who tried to have the words “Under God” removed from the pledge, I mistakenly, thought that she was simply opposing all religious conduct.

Well since when does the WINNER of a court case have to pay for the LOSER’s attorney?

If you insist on making a federal case out of forcing your morality down the throat of your fellow citizens (who are clearly not AT ALL interested in digesting it), then yeah, you get to pay your own grocery bills.

She should be thankful that her neighbors haven’t burned her at the stake yet (she IS a witch, right?), and move along quietly…

Sorry i missed this thread, thanks for bringing it back up Seth.

How do you achieve freedom of religion when a government body only practices one?

When every elected member of a government body is a Christian, to whom would you expect them to pray?  The God of Silence?

If Ms.Wiccan can get herself elected to council, then i’m sure she’ll be given the equal opportunity to pray to Baal or Earth Wind & Fire, or whoever she wants to, no questions asked, same as the Christians on the board…

Marty, you kind of missed the point. This is not about religion. It IS about this bitch using the courts to steal 65,000 dollars. I bet she devined this from reading the chicken bones, or watching Judge Judy. Witches ways are hard to fathom.

Uh, she won, the town now has to go bankrupt to pay her. And her scumbag lawyer. All because they would not let her paint pentagrams in chicken blood or whatever it is the bitch wanted to do.

Mr. Moss: hate to break it to you, but that system already exists, especially in family law (ie: divorces). The judge can award legal fees if she/he deems that the lawsuit was frivolous or that the plaintiff had to bring suit to further enforce previous court orders. In practice it tends to be used against men to further disadvantage them in custody cases.

I know it exsists in cases like that, but I don’t know about cases like the one in this post. I assumed such a system didn’t exsist because she is having to sue to get money back.

Mr. Moss

Mr. Moss, Spaghetti, Mossboy… pick one and stick with it, would you guys?

There are those that would argue a legal system where the loser pays for the legal fees of the winner, whih is what this is.  I’m hesitently in favor of such a system…

As with the father (I can’t think of the guys name) who tried to have the words “Under God” removed from the pledge

Michael Newdow

Rob said:

Actually, this is wrong. The 1st amendment states that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of religion. It doesn’t say a thing about the states making laws concerning religions.

What an excellent point!  The whole issue should be left up to the States…

Registered voters are part of the Government body.

I find it hard to believe that they would let her practice they would probably look for a way to have her removed.

Actually, you all have gotten this whole case wrong to some degree or another.  I went to the town council meetings to complain about drug dealers and they made my pagan bumper stickers an issue.  Then they started directing their prayers at me, even though I participated within them out of respect.  Once I stopped, I was penalized and not allowed to participate in the meetings, such as when I waited for the prayer to be over and entered the room, even though I was on the agenda to speak, I wasn’t allowed.  They began a campaign of torture not only against me, but my animals and property, so I had to have the concept of them forcing their religion on me removed, which the ruling now protects everyone from being treated like I was.

I am not stealing any money,nor have I filed a second suit, but I did receive a judgement for the town to pay my attorney fees, which in this case was the right and just thing to do.  My attorney gets this money, I don’t and I sincerely appreciate him protecting me during this process.

So lets us get this straight. They prayed for you and wished you well. You were uncomfortable. You sued them. Now the town has 65,000 dollars, plus what they had to pay their lawyers, lets say 100,000 dollars, total, less to fight the drug problem you originally were concerned about. Did it ever occur to you to ignore them? To pray, loudly, FOR them. As for torturing your animals, did they have to come on your property to do this? Have them arrested for trespassing and stalking.  By your actions you have dragged your community down, made it a laughing stock, and worsened the drug problem that you CLAIM to have been concerned about by stripping funds away from the efforts being made to combat it. I stand by each comment I posted in this thread. You are part of the problem in society today. Quit crying and do something productive with your life, like paying back the 65,000 dollars you"stole". I am sure the whole town just loves you for doing that. Did it actually make your life any better? Now instead of just a few people hating you and wishing you ill, EVERYBODY hates you and wishes you ill. Good job, idiot.

Fire mission! 1 round, illumination, altitude 700ms. On the Way! Hope that helps, Marty.

Anybody got a light?

No, they were not praying for me, they were trying to convert me during a town council meeting, there is a difference.  If I didn’t participate in prayer I wasn’t allowed to participate in a government meeting. 

As far as having them arrested goes, I don’t think you understand how a small government body operates or the power that they actually have within the community.  My local police department is hired, fired and given orders by my town council.  I have my police chief on a recording where he tells me he has been ordered to ignore me and he is refusing to testify to that fact because he will never work in law enforcement again and his family is influential in the area and it could affect them.  How I am suppose to get anyone arrested for anything when my police department is under orders to ignore me and what is happening to me?

It wasn’t my actions that brought this community down it was their own actions that brought it down and made it a laughing stock, if that is what it is across the nation.  This community has connections, strong connections with the KKK and their own belief system is less than Christian and yet they espouse Christianity.  I am going to share a link with you to see the insanity of their own faith.  This is a recent letter to the editor from Friday and this man believes that God will perform like a dog upon his command, and the local paper has violated their own policy because the name is a ficticious name, so this so called ambassador of Jesus is too afraid to use his own name.  Don’t blame me for their ignorance, stupidity, or their fundamentalism.  You need to grow up, get your facts straight and if you want to try and bully someone or intimidate them, you better look for a woman who hasn’t dealt with that shit for 6 years.

And not everyone hates me either, lol, and yes my life is getting better even though I am dealing with these jackasses still.  Here in this town because I stood up and won, I have given others the strength and courage to do the same.  This town that you think is so good, hell in 2003 it had a race riot and the murderers were allowed to walk around for almost another 2 years until they almost killed someone else and it was because they were klan.  My actions have showed people, they don’t have to tolerate this shit and they aren’t going to.  I have gotten more friends, and still have the same assholes harassing me, but after 6 years of dealing with it, they are like a pimple on my ass, an irritant and nothing more.

http://www.onlinechester.com/articles/2005/09/30/viewpoints/edit2.txt

LETTER: Satan’s bluff is called

Dear Editor,

In an earlier article “Great Falls Gets it, Why doesn’t Chester?” let’s start with the Great Falls incident. I don’t feel sorry that I was not here from the beginning of the lawsuit, but I am glad to see the end result, as I have something to walk with in my mission against Satan.

There is nothing new under the heaven; people and nations have fought against the name of God almighty in their nations, and even succeeded in doing that, and after their reign was over, another one came and reinstated the name of God and his commencements in the nation. When the birth of Jesus Christ was announced by the wise men, King Herod tried hard to stop him by killing a great deal of innocent children. Yet, he still missed Jesus, and as Jesus grew up to fulfill his mission, He raised the dead, healed all manner of sickness and performed many miracles. In John 14:12-14 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” This assurance was given to believers for a power of authority to use his name.

What happened in Great Falls too shall pass. Jesus, Satan, witchcraft, wizard, and other principalities are spiritual matters. Why are you addressing them in the court of law? Why not bring the issues in the spiritual realm? The Bible declares that Satan is the prince of the air. I, Jean Minyem, am a minister of the Gospel, and an ambassador of Jesus Christ, I challenge you, Darla Wynne.

Please invite all witches, wizards in the area and your boss the devil to an open meeting. Let us have an open meeting just like in the days of the Prophet Elijah and the Prophet of Baal in I Kings 18:19-39. Being a man of God and an ambassador of Jesus that I am, will be standing against every witch, wizard, and devil.

In that challenge, the God that will respond with miracles, signs and wonders as Jesus did such as raising the dead, opening blind eyes, raising people with serious deformations out of wheelchairs, and healing all manner of diseases will be called the real God over Great Falls. If your God, the devil, succeeds in performing these miracles and my God doesn’t, then your god is God. If your god doesn’t perform them, my God will be proclaimed Lord of Lords and King of Kings over Great Falls.

Since I know that Jesus will perform them, I set notice to you that the spirit of God will fall on you and all the other witches, and you will prophecy that Jesus is Lord. You will not be able to control yourself, but you will prophesy. Peradventure rear comes to you and you are afraid to show up, I will send the Holy Spirit and charge the angels to drag you by force to the place, which I will choose. 

You don’t know what you got yourself into. I speak like a king and pray as a priest to the most high God. You may have played on the emotions of my fellow Christians who did not know what to do with you. But now a man of God is in town to challenge you.

Jean Minyem

Chester

Yes Sir, there has been acts of intimidation on this board against me, such as the comment, got a light and then the reply.  You are barking up the wrong tree with that bullshit with me.  I have had too much happen and I am an Alaskan woman who as if you hadn’t noticed, can take care of herself and I don’t let no man threaten me or scare me. 

Robbie Benson, our local Sheriff, refused to tend to one of his own due to harassing literature sent to me.  If you know everything like you claim, then you should know when you are in a small county such as I am in, things don’t work the way they should.  When you have the AG of your state piping in on local issues, it is damn hard to get any state agency to get involved in anything, which Henry McMasters has been involved in all of this for several years.  It is called politcs and fake religious politics.

You are correct Sir, I never paid my attorney a dime because he took it on pro bono, but that does not take away the fact that he should be paid and yes sir, they are going to pay.  After the first ruling, my attorney offered to wave all legal fees if they would not appeal and they chose to ignore that offer and continue on.  So, it was their decision to continue, not mine.  So, yes he is going to be paid for a good job that he did me and other residents of this town. 

You want to bitch about the attorney fees, then you should take it to the local government who pushed this crap, not me.  I won’t be held accountable or liable for their nonsense and that one letter should give you an idea of what it was like during a council meeting.  They violated the law, then refused to stop that violation and now they have to pay for their arrogance.  You won’t get any sympathy from me, and all I can say is that they are damn lucky I didn’t choose to sue them for damages and if they aren’t careful, due to the all of the evidence I have collected I may rectify that if they don’t stop their bullshit soon because I am simply fed up with it and I will not continue to be treated, bullied or intimidated in the manner that they have.  I have the right to equal protection under the law and if they refuse to rescind their order to the police, then they will be held accountable for those actions as well.

You wouldn’t take this bullshit, and I sure as hell am not going to.

One, I am not trying to"bully or intimadate” you. 2. Don’t throw that rural town government crap in my face. Born and raised in rural Pearl River county, MS. Know all about small town gov. and churches and their cliqueish bullshit. And spare me the sermon on the KKK, I have had to deal with their asinine, knuckle-dragging, no neck mouth-breather crap before.  If your access to your local elected government and its services/functions was restricted on basis of your religion, you should never have had a lawyer’s bill. As for the arresting issue, did you go to SC. State Police or county Sheriff’s office. And then the letter from obvious religious nutjob. Not sure what to think on that one. I have no problem with whatever religious believes you have. I do have a problem with pissing away a pile of local tax money on crap that never should have become a problem.

Careful sweetie, your tolerance is showing....

Was that comment addressed to you? Is you username"Marty"? I believe we are seeing a trend here.

Well done Darla Kaye Wynne.

And for the record, no one here has said you do not deserve equal protection or representation. You, like us all, have the right to freedom OF religion. Not freedom FROM religion. All other points have been clearly made, you have a good evening now. Hear?

Hey 2 H 9 is back to push everybody into his narrow view of the world.

I for one was shocked and happy to see her side of the story and after experiencing people like this first hand can totally see it happening and was the point some have made here before....The biggest problem with Freedom of religion is that it does not mean select one and everybody follow it, it means select none and do not force your views on others.

It has been my experience that Christians have the hardest time with this because after all if you do not believe like they do then you are obviously wrong, they have a book that says so.

It has been my experience that Christians have the hardest time with this because after all if you do not believe like they do then you are obviously wrong, they have a book that says so.

What a WONDERFULLY smart statement, richard. I want to tell you, that as a Christian, I’m so tired of all my fellow Christians strapping bombs to thier chests, getting on public busses and screaming “God is great, ya’ll!” as they detonate. Because, as you well know, Christians have the greatest trouble with accepting other religions.

Oh wait, that’s not Christians...what religion is having a problem with that right now, the name escapes me…

I KNOW! I KNOW! I KNOW!

IT’S ISLAM!!!!

I wasn’t trying to shock you, but I have been trying to clear up what the media leaves out, which is a lot.  I believe the media has had a lot to do with the reaction to my case because they left out so much important information, and JC definately sales papers.  Every day people send me links to this and that, which some is positive and others like here just had it all wrong.  I just want people to know the facts and make an informed opinion about me and my case and then judge me and call me names all you like.

Forgive me if I missed something Seth, but what in the hell does your statement have to do with my point that I have met many christians that are self righteous and if you disagree with them they just fall back on the same book that says if you disagree with them then you are wrong.

I totally missed any comparison with any other religion or any other peoples that blow themselves up.

Compare and contrast richard:

It has been my experience that Christians have the hardest time with this because after all if you do not believe like they do then you are obviously wrong, they have a book that says so.

I have met many christians that are self righteous and if you disagree with them they just fall back on the same book that says if you disagree with them then you are wrong.

The first quote can easily be read as Christians, in general, have a harder time with tolerance than other religions. I pointed out, perhaps a bit sacastically, that it’s not so that Christians have a harder time than all other religions. Muslims have a much harder time with tolerance of other’s beliefs (I’d say praying for someone is more tolerant than blowing them up).

I find the second statement of yours much less risable.

Ok Seth unless I missed it there were no muslims involved in this case (I do not know why I find that funny).

However if your point is to simply say that there is intolerance in all religions, I would have to respond DUH.

[...] Cynthia Simpson, who stopped by to comment on this previous post on her story, just had her case rejected by the Supreme Court. WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court rejected an appeal on Tuesday from a Wiccan priestess angry that local leaders would not let her open their sessions with a prayer. [...]

I must say that this story really is sad.  We have gone from a woman who was harassed by not only the people of her town, but by the people who are supposed to protect her rights, to thoughts about Muslims.  Can we stay on track people?  As a Wiccan, I can attest that we do have to deal with very narrow minded views from people who can’t take the time to do some research.  As for Darla.  I would like to congratulate you on your victory.  It may seem like small potatoes compared to the things you have endured, but hopefully it will move people in the right direction.  Lets all face the realities of life folks, The only thing people in government offices understand is money. This is hitting the town where it hurts, and I say it is about time!

Wow.  Did it ever occur to ANY of you to actually do 15 minutes of research before you started advocating burning this woman at the stake, vandalizing her house and property?  A few salient facts from the various court proceedings (for what it’s worth...there are some SERIOUSLY closed minds here):

- Miss Wynne was threatened by crack dealers repeatedly on her drive to work.  She was told by the local police that they had a limited budget for “undercover work” and she should go to the council for special approval. 
- At her first council meeting she respectfully stood, bowed her head during the prayer and joined in with an ‘Amen’.  When it was her turn to speak, she was interrupted by someone (my opinion: who should have been asked to be quiet) who demanded she remove some bumper stickers from her car (content unknown).  She was not allowed to make her case.
- She returned to SIX council meetings without making any comment about the prayer, until the council started directing the prayer AT her, and still stonewallled her by not letting her speak.
- She filed a formal petition asking the council not pray specifically to Jesus, and to not pray at her.  Subsequently her house was vandalized, fairly dramatically I might add.
- She filed the lawsuit and life became hell.  Her car was vandalized.  Her house has been vandalized more than a dozen times (poop in her microwave, spraypainted threats, smashed windows, wrecked furniture, etc.).  In addition her pets have been injured and killed (one cat gutted, one beheaded, one dog blinded, one horse lamed, etc.).  Local police did nothing, and in some cases (documented) obstructed justice by damaging or destroying evidence.
- Miss Wynne did not seek compensatory or punative fines.  The court ruled that she is entitled to be compansated for her legal expenses, by the town, not the individuals on the council.

These facts are easily obtainable if you are interested.  I don’t know this woman, or have any stake here.  But WOW, some of you people think you are Christians?!  I’m sure Jesus would react Just Like You (he was always vandalizing houses and urging his hommes to beat those who disagreed with him, right?).

Wow.

right on, nataraj.

i think a lot of the people posting on here could use a little bit of education on the issue behind the whole thing: religion.

http://www.religioustolerance.org

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm more specifically.

Getting in A line,
Ok, I’ve read about the majority of the posts here as I have stumble onto this site. I happen to be Wiccan, I would like to offer my opinion, which happens to be backed by the fact that I have had several conversations with Darla. Lets get a few things in order. 1) she works for the State of South Carolina ( at least she did) Talking to inmates on the basis of the wiccan religion for 11 years. 2)She started attending the Council Metting s to find a way to remove the Crack Dealers from her area. 3)For 1 year she complied to stand in the meetings including Prayers that invoked the Name Jesus Christ. 3) the Name Jesus Christ is only invoked in Secular Prayers involving less than 1/3 of the Monotheistic religions, Making the prayer exclusive to the majority of other religions. 4) The Council leader, the Sherriff And the Clerk of the Courts all attempted to remove her from attending the meetings by subversive measures (ie. Starting early, Holding extra long Prayers, Praying that including the abusive secular material found in Leviticus 18:23, etc). The council and the city have admitted in aggrivated exposure to this case, and have vowed never to pay the lawyer representing Darla ( by the way the lawyer hasn’t asked her for a penny as of yet, what lawyer do you know would wait to be paid after 5 years?). They have also stated that they will not except the terms that the Supreme court decided. Thats what is called being a little cry baby.
On the Other Hand: I personnally think Darla took this a bit too far, it would have been far cheaper to move to a more tolerant state and fuck the bible belt. Her veiw, however correct, cannot be imposed on a narrow minded inbred society. I’d say give them more guns and step aside a feww hundred miles so they can shoot themselves in the foot.
It wa her lawyer who took it all the way to the courts, not her, she just wanted the abuse to stop. instead she got her house vandalized two of her pets murdered, no one will even look at her in public. I kind of feel for her, but she did start the ball.
Rune

Rune, want rid of the crack and meth dealers in your community? Shoot their ass! Cops ain’t taking care of bussiness, citizens are allowed to defend themselves. As for the religious aspects of all this crap, get the fuck over it. When we are dead,we will all learn who was right. Over-offensensitivity. That is what ails 99.99 percent of the human race. Here is a clue. Get over yourselves. You are just not that important. Nobody is.

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