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Whom do liberals think they’re going to win over by these hyperbolic comments? I do think the Guantanamo Bay situation is a mess; however, I would NEVER compare it to Pol Pot, Hitler, or the Soviet Gulags!

By reducing the horrors of the Holocaust and the Soviet gulags to prison conditions, the totalitarian left, can say that the alternative they offer is no worse than what we have now.  History will have been “re-written”, and the true horrors of the past will be forgotten.  Once they are in power, history will repeat itself.

I do think the Guantanamo Bay situation is a mess

If the MSM was not ramming it down our throats every day, no one would consider it an issue.  ‘Cept the partisan hacks.  Gitmo is not a problem… Our overzealous MSM is the problem.

Here is what Senator Durbin said:

When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here [at Guantanamo Bay]--I almost hesitate to put them in the [Congressional] Record, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

Now I don’t know if the FBI agent’s account is accurate or not but, if it is, then I fail to see how any person could see such tactics as anything other than barbarism. If one supports the concept of basic human rights then one can not approve of such methods. If such methods are approved by the authorities then the official position must be one that respects human rights except when dealing with one’s enemies. Such a position is not tenable for a liberal democracy to hold. One either supports basic human rights or one doesn’t...one can’t pick and choose who enjoys human rights and who doesn’t. Humans have human rights.

America didn’t become a great nation by ignoring lapses in judgement and behaviour or being afraid to criticise acts which are patently wrong. You folks are doing your country a disservice when you mechanically rail against those who question misdeeds. Don’t you see how such reflexive thoughts and opinions play into the hands of regimes that all right thinking people abhor? I am saddened when I read such posts but I’m convinced that your views are not shared by the majority of Americans.

Look at how low the Right has to go these days! None of your links Rob actually linked to the actual text of Durbin’s (TCF’s Senator!) remarks. Neither, do you acknowledge the FBI agent reports he was reading from.

You want the media to cover the outrageous rhetoric by Dean, but ignore you calling a U.S. Senator anti-troops! By doing this, it only makes the American people believe there’s something wrong going on at Gitmo.

Look at how low the Right has to go these days!

Oh!  “The right this” and “the right that”.  You’re like a freakin’ caricature of a partisan nuisance.  Oh yeah...

You want the media to cover the outrageous rhetoric by Dean, but ignore you calling a U.S. Senator anti-troops!

Where did Rob do that?

By doing this, it only makes the American people believe there’s something wrong going on at Gitmo.

By doing what?  You make no freakin’ sense.

Thanks for placing his comments in context, MikeAnderson. Too bad the original poster wasn’t so kind.

I still disagree with Sen. Durbin’s comments, but it makes a lot more sense in context. Thanks again.

Thanks for placing his comments in context, MikeAnderson. Too bad the original poster wasn’t so kind.

What are you talking about?  The point hasn’t changed with Durbin’s comments put “in context”.

I still disagree with Sen. Durbin’s comments, but it makes a lot more sense in context. Thanks again.

What has changed?  How does it make “more sense”?

Durbin’s comments can be found here, here and here. These are pages from the Congressional Record, the second of which includes the passage that is getting all of the attention but the entire address is interesting.

I have noticed Rob’s changes...he’s not a bad guy for somebody from Minot.

MikeAdamson:  I suppose you notice that Rob has acknowledged misreading Durbin’s comments in his followup.  Nonetheless, thanks for your comment.  Do you have a ready URL to the full text of his comments?

THX.

off with his head. chuck chuck chuck.whata dick. spitefull, pitifull. makes one sick. deliberate beratement. i bet he wears a strap on. shit for brains aka DICKY DURBIN. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR LAST ELECTION. I guess Chicago does have the best weenies.

[...] Now I ask you, who is it that gets to define what terms like “cruel treatment” and “moral coercion” and “physical coercion” mean? Senator Dick Durbin seems to believe that messing with the thermostat and playing loud Christina Aguilera music is equivalent to “torture” on par with what was seen in the Soviet gulags. Clearly, “cruel treatment” is a relative term. [...]

[...] Do those tactics constitute torture? I don’t think so, but some would have us believe that they are torture either because having us believe that is convenient for their politics (see Senator Dick Durbin and the American anti-war left) or because their naive, bleeding-heart mindset tells them that it is. [...]