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Thursday, May 26, 2005

Redemption For Newsweek?

Howard Kurtz:

This hit the Post Web site at mid-afternoon yesterday:

"Nearly a dozen detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba told FBI interrogators that guards had mistreated copies of the Koran, including one who said in 2002 that guards 'flushed a Koran in the toilet,' according to new FBI documents released today.

"The summaries of FBI interviews, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union as part of an ongoing lawsuit, also include allegations that the Koran was kicked, thrown to the floor and withheld as punishment and that guards mocked Muslim prisoners during prayers."

And the Los Angeles Times had this: "FBI interviews at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in 2002 and 2003 reflected allegations by detainees that guards desecrated the Koran on numerous occasions, and that perceived abuses of the Muslim holy book triggered unrest and even a possible suicide attempt, newly released government documents revealed today."

Quick react from Kos: "Turns out Newsweek was wrong about its source, right about the story. Darn it. Now who can the wingers blame for setbacks in Afghanistan and Iraq?"

Just to review: Newsweek made a specific error, saying this would be in a forthcoming military investigative report, and had to apologize and retract. But that never meant there was no Koran desecration--in fact, The Post reported such a charge in 2003 (as did other outlets later), but the charges were always attributed to detainees. Even these documents (which I'll bet were seen by Isikoff's source) atrribute the allegations to detainees. But that casts the outraged White House and Pentagon reaction in a slightly different light, doesn't it?


So some FBI reports made reference to allegations of abuse that have been made my terror captives since 2002? How in the world does that substantiate the claims Newsweek made in its article? These allegations are nothing new. As I said before, they've existed since 2002 and have never once been proven.

Like I posted yesterday, wake me up when we have some proof that doesn't consist of rumors and unsubstantiated accusations.

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Rob:  First note that a number of captives reported only hearing stories of abuse from other captives.  Of course this is hearsay and rumors and is of no value in getting to the truth.

Secondly, note this portion of the WaPo article

Whitman said in his statement last night that al Qaeda members have been trained to lie about their treatment during incarceration,

which squares with this excerpt from the “Manchester Manual”:

PRISONS AND DETENTION CENTERS

IF AN INDICTMENT IS ISSUED AND THE TRIAL BEGINS, THE BROTHER HAS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING:

1. At the beginning of the trial, once more the brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by State Security [investigators] before the judge.

2. Complain [to the court] of mistreatment while in prison.

As I have pointed out previously, it’s not like they just grabbed everybody they captured in Afghanistan and threw them in Gitmo.  More than 90% of those captured were screened and released.  The criteria given by the Defense Dept. is that they were either known al Qaeda members, had material connecting them to al Qaeda or were known supporters of al Qaeda.

So we have 1) direct evidence that the al Qaeda terrorists were trained to lie about being abused, and 2) plenty of evidence to say that most of those interned were terrorists.  People on the left, especially those who hang out at Kos, much have really squishy brains if they think that stories of abuse is particularly probative by itself, in this case.

And keeping the eye on the ball, the Newsweek story was about “flushing the Koran down the toilet”.  The story makes pretty clear that there is no substantiated allegations of that.  In fact, the sole witness failed to corroborate his own story.

Carrick on May 26, 2005 at 01:05 pm
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Good points Carrick.  Another thing I’ve noticed of late is that the media seems to be changing Newsweek’s story a bit.  Lately I’ve heard it reported that the accusations had the troops just putting the Korans in the toilet, not flushing them.  Newsweek’s story had them flushing.

A minor point, but now that its been changed the story is at least possible.  Flushing a Koran down the toilet is totally unbelievable, but just putting one in a toilet is possible.


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