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[...] UPDATE: Some others have noticed Ms. Gyllenhaal’s comments.  Ace is right on the moneyrediction: Ask this stupid bint to name one of those "reprehensible" things and she’ll stare at you like a chicken asked to explain quantum mechanics. [...]

Maggie Gyllenhaal NSFW

That’s from Secretary.  Pretty good movie, actually.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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She looks OK. How does that make her an expert on global politics or terrorism.

It doesn’t.  This is just her opinion.  Don’t play the Jadetroll card.

She looks OK. How does that make her an expert on global politics or terrorism. Oh,right. She is an actress, makes her an expert on everything. Sorry, I forgot.

Of course, you’re all missing the obvious: We are partially at fault… for not catching/killing the *#&($# when we had the chance...

But let’s not go about trying to point blame in the direction of a certain “peaceful” President.... ::sigh::

Using Rob’s same logic, we could say Rob hates the US military because he refuses to join it.  Several hops, skips, and jumps later--we can arrive at the conclusion Rob is a terrorist.

It’s pretty easy.

Look, MG didn’t say we deserved to be attacked or that we’re to blame or the folks in the Pentagon/WTC deserved what they got as Rob dishonestly infers.

Instead, MG makes the very same point many scholars make; indeed, it’s even mentioned by the 9-11 Commission. 

The fact is the usual rightwing mouthbreathers blame a lack of democracy in the Middle East.  And there’s a kernel of truth there; problem is, what the rightwing won’t tell you is that the US has propped up and supported many of those dictatorships. And they won’t tell you their hero, Ronnie Reagan actively encouraged Islamic extremism in a proxy war against the Soviets.

JG starts his last paragraph with the words “The fact is”.  Once again Jadegold doesn’t understand the difference between facts, opinions and inferences, yet still sneaks in some classic invective… Sad, truly, sad.

Wow!! You are so deep,Jg. Tell us the story about how you saved the world. Right after you got expelled and doged doing any active duty time. OH please tell us what a big HERO you are!!!!!

Then he can tell us how his world-class blue state education let him screw up Shakespeare’s “Hoist with his own petard,” quote.  Not to mention how he haughtily proclaimed there is no Fog of War book when there is.  Not to mention how he drops by to deliver hit-n’run posts which try to pass off opinion as facts (that he then doesn’t supply).

Wow, that’s a lot of storytelling.  But I’m sure he’s up to the challenge.

Regards…

This young woman deserves the strongest, sharpest rebuke possible, not just by filmgoers - i.e., don’t go to see the wretched piece of work—but especially by those of us who were most directly affected by the terror attacks.

I lived 4 blocks from WTC and lost my home that day, and was fortunate that I did not lose my life. Remarks such as hers are an insult to the memory of the American martyrs of that day, and as one who lives daily with the aftermath, I am disgusted, not only with her remarks, but with the lack of response to those vile sentiments by the organizers of the Festival.

Those of us who survived that day and who live with its consequences especially have the duty to express our revulsion and disgust with this woman’s unlettered, ill-informed, and grossly insensitive statements to the Festival, and to demand an apology from Ms. Gyllenhaal, from the producers and creators of the movie at issue, and from the Festival for not immediately distancing itself from this individual.

Ms. Gyllenhaal has issued a statement that compounds her error and adds insult to injury. As a survivor of 9/11, I am incredulous at the studied intransigence of this immature young girl, and I urge those of you who share my outrage to visit nytimes.com/movies and post to that forum, as well as your favorite Weblogs - and in addition, call the New York City Council and urge them to continue the pressure they have applied to Ms. Gyllenhaal’s orginization for her to issue a true apology, rather than the mealy-mouthed, insincere nonsense she has already inflicted upon us.

It is important to remember that freedom of speech does _not_ mean freedom from the _consequences_ of one’s free speech.  If a public figure makes public (and inflammatory) comments in a public forum, it is not undemocratic to expect that those comments will engender a wide range of freely expressed responses.  Her intemperate remarks have served only to increase the suffering of those of us directly affected by the terror attacks, and her arrogant refusal to apologize for the damage her remarks have caused reflects poorly on her, her colleagues, and the TriBeCa Film Festival - an event born from a desire to bring life and hope back to my devastated neighborhood of Lower Manhattan.

How can anyone be so naive as to use quotation marks when referring to reprehensible things America has done? Are you actually inferring America has never done anything reprehensible to other countries’ peoples and to its own people??!! It must take a construction crane to be able to pull your head out of your ass! Let’s see… All of America’s problems with Iran can be traced back to 1947 or ‘48 when the CIA overthrew the legitimate Shah of Iran and installed a puppet “shah” because the real one wanted to nationalize Iran’s oil production. His brutality and his son’s who followed him directly caused the backlash of Iranian Islamic fundamentalism that toppled Pahlavi in 1979 and began the rule of the mullahs. They hate America with a very good reason. Then, remember a little matter called the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba in 1961? That was masterminded and led by the CIA. Why? Because Castro had eliminated the enormous gambling interests in Havana and told Pepsi they would have to pay market prices for Cuban sugar. Thankfully it failed miserably, but they wanted it to cause a civil war. What about Nicaragua? Their people freely elected a Communist government, the Sandanistas, and what did America do? The CIA backed the unpopular “Contra” fascist guerillas and began a long, bloody Nicaraguan civil war to try to overthrow the democratically-elected government. America has sponsored dictators in many, many countries as long as they help American economic interests, and training their death squads to hunt down dissidents who dare to express their opposition to seeing their country raped and abused by America and its local puppets. In 1954 Vietnam could have had free elections but America knew the Communists would win so they cancelled the election. When Kennedy promised to withdraw American forces from Vietnam and “break the CIA into 1,000 pieces”, the CIA had him assassinated, essentially a coup d’etat that installed their puppet Johnson in power who immediately reversed Kennedy’s plans. Over one million Vietnamese lost their lives.
Just about every country in the Western Hemisphere has had a CIA-backed coup in the 20th Century. CIA-trained death squads have killed millions worldwide, all for American big business interests. And America STILL hasn’t learned it is wrong to rape other countries for economic gain!!! It still does it today!!! So, yes, everything that happens to America it brings upon itself. As a nation, a hundred 9-11s wouldn’t equal what America deserves.

Where did you 2 moonbats wing in from? And do those tinfoil hats make it harder to fly? And Joe, your right! The CIA used mindcontrol to kill millions in the Ukraine,Georgia,and Siberia. Otherwise Joe Stalin and his WarDaddy Lenin never would have done those terrible things. Would they?

Who was it that said “Ignorance is Bliss”?  People are critizing Maggie’s 9/11 comments because they are afraid of the truth.  She is only saying what many Americans and the majority of the international community already feel.  America is a bully nation; their unneccessary inteference in the Middle East, and many other countries, made a lot of people angry, and those people sought, and continue to seek, their revenge.  I do not agree with, or encourage, terrosim, but Bin Laden and friends did not attack the US for no reason.  As anyone stoped to ask “What did America do to make so many people (nations) so mad?” If anyone seriously thinks that America had no role in 9/11 then they are indeed ignorant, and I would dare to classify them as “Anti-American.” America’s supporters should acknowledge her mistakes in the world and try to make America a better nation by learning from past mistakes and by having better communication and relationships with other nations.  Maybe next time smaller and less powerful nations will feel comfortable, and be able to, confront us in a more appropiate and less dramatic manner.

Joe Natinno spit out, And America STILL hasn’t learned it is wrong to rape other countries for economic gain!!! It still does it today!!!

What are you talking about?  Calm down and explain it to us.

So, yes, everything that happens to America it brings upon itself. As a nation, a hundred 9-11s wouldn’t equal what America deserves.

Wow.  What an asshole you are.  I’d work on your evil nature Joe.  Hell is not a nice place.

Rose spit out, America is a bully nation; their unneccessary inteference in the Middle East...

“Unneccessary interference in the Middle East”?  Have you checked out the dictator hell that is the Middle East?  Give me a break.

...and many other countries, made a lot of people angry, and those people sought, and continue to seek, their revenge.

Awww.  Are people upset because we’re breaking up dictatorships?  Well though shit.

I do not agree with, or encourage, terrosim, but Bin Laden and friends did not attack the US for no reason.

Sorry Rose.  Everything before “but” is BS.

As anyone stoped to ask “What did America do to make so many people (nations) so mad?�

Yeah.  All of the time.  A bunch of moonbats always swing by these parts to ask that question.

If anyone seriously thinks that America had no role in 9/11 then they are indeed ignorant, and I would dare to classify them as “Anti-American.�

You don’t explain yourself.  You just assert.

Joe Natinno, this is how I read your comment -

The douchebag Likwidshoe asks “what are you talking about?â€? in reference to my statement that America still has not learned it is wrong to rape nations for economic gain. “Explain it to usâ€? he says. You stupid draft horse slave, take off the star-spangled blinders and view reality. What do you call the unprovoked invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation of it? The only thing that the Bush administration said about it that was true is that it is sitting on a lake of oil! The Iraqi people themselves have to wait in endless queues for gasoline when their country is the second-largest oil producer! Who do you think controls the extraction and exporting of Iraq’s oil? Their puppet “governmentâ€?? Get real! Is racist America going to invade a country and suffer 1,500 dead to try to hold onto it so that they can “freeâ€? a bunch of brown-skinned people that for the last decade they could care less about? Areyou really that dumb or is it an act? And don’t even try to use the tired old “counter-argumentâ€? of “how can we be sucking the oil out of Iraq if our gas prices are still so high in America?â€? This is a non-issue. The oil barons who pull the strings of this administration are not about to lower prices out of the kindness of their hearts just because they now control Iraq’s oil production. When has any businessman, especially big businessmen EVER felt compassion enough for the average slaves such as yourself at the gas pump and cut back their profits to make life easier for you? I doubt that much more oil is leaving Iraq nowadays than when it was controlled by Iraq, it is just now in different hands. Why would they cut prices? They want to make as much money as they can. In another matter, notice how North Korea is far more than some nebulous “grave, gathering threatâ€?. They have developed nuclear weapons and are increasingly belligerent. They pose a far greater threat than Iraq ever did. But they have no oil. And they can not only defend themselves adequately, they would chew American candy-ass “militaryâ€? forces up and shit them out if they tried to cross the DMZ. America knows it, so it won’t dare attack them, and it picks a fight with Iraq, crippled from the previous Gulf War, ten years of sanctions, and repeated American air attacks in the years before the March 2003 unprovoked invasion that eliminated their air defense network. Only then, when it was “certainâ€? Iraq wouldn’t be able to fight back, does it invade. Yeah, really brave, America.
Let’s see you try that with North Korea. Or Iran for that matter. What’s that sound? Is it America talking diplomacy as it shrinks from the challenge of North Korea? Notice how diplomacy gets so popular with this administration only when it comes to countries that it knows will fight back. Also notice how the American people were overwhelmingly in favor of bludgeoning Iraq when it appeared that it would be bloodless (for America) but once this war turned into an actual WAR, with actual numbers of dead Amerifascists turining up every day, THEN the public loses stomach for it, as evidenced in recent polls showing a majority of Americans now realize it was a mistake to invade Iraq. Not because they realize unprovoked aggression is dead wrong, because I don’t know if Americans will ever realize that, but because it is starting to have a cost. Do you think the rest of the world doesn’t see this? America, you are a laughingstock.
And as for the “2Hotel9″ brainless shitbag and his comments about millions killed in the Soviet Union, you are of such low intelligence that you don’t realize what it is saying about your country to have to compare it with other terrible regimes to make it appear “less evilâ€?. Yeah, that’s really something to be proud of. Also, in a most immature way, “2Hotel9″ doesn’t understand that bringing up another country’s atrocities does not in any way absolve or even mitigate the blame for America’s atrocities.
What we have is the world’s biggest superbully, America, that is so quick to jump on a country (like Iraq) that it thinks won’t fight back but shrinks from a real fight. Like every bully, America is at heart a COWARD. Face it and grow up, you nation of shit-for-brains childish assholes.

You’re not worth my time.  Buzz off.

The douchebag Likwidshoe asks “what are you talking about?” in reference to my statement that America still has not learned it is wrong to rape nations for economic gain. “Explain it to us” he says. You stupid draft horse slave, take off the star-spangled blinders and view reality. What do you call the unprovoked invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation of it? The only thing that the Bush administration said about it that was true is that it is sitting on a lake of oil! The Iraqi people themselves have to wait in endless queues for gasoline when their country is the second-largest oil producer! Who do you think controls the extraction and exporting of Iraq’s oil? Their puppet “government”? Get real! Is racist America going to invade a country and suffer 1,500 dead to try to hold onto it so that they can “free” a bunch of brown-skinned people that for the last decade they could care less about? Areyou really that dumb or is it an act? And don’t even try to use the tired old “counter-argument” of “how can we be sucking the oil out of Iraq if our gas prices are still so high in America?” This is a non-issue. The oil barons who pull the strings of this administration are not about to lower prices out of the kindness of their hearts just because they now control Iraq’s oil production. When has any businessman, especially big businessmen EVER felt compassion enough for the average slaves such as yourself at the gas pump and cut back their profits to make life easier for you? I doubt that much more oil is leaving Iraq nowadays than when it was controlled by Iraq, it is just now in different hands. Why would they cut prices? They want to make as much money as they can. In another matter, notice how North Korea is far more than some nebulous “grave, gathering threat”. They have developed nuclear weapons and are increasingly belligerent. They pose a far greater threat than Iraq ever did. But they have no oil. And they can not only defend themselves adequately, they would chew American candy-ass “military” forces up and shit them out if they tried to cross the DMZ. America knows it, so it won’t dare attack them, and it picks a fight with Iraq, crippled from the previous Gulf War, ten years of sanctions, and repeated American air attacks in the years before the March 2003 unprovoked invasion that eliminated their air defense network. Only then, when it was “certain” Iraq wouldn’t be able to fight back, does it invade. Yeah, really brave, America.
Let’s see you try that with North Korea. Or Iran for that matter. What’s that sound? Is it America talking diplomacy as it shrinks from the challenge of North Korea? Notice how diplomacy gets so popular with this administration only when it comes to countries that it knows will fight back. Also notice how the American people were overwhelmingly in favor of bludgeoning Iraq when it appeared that it would be bloodless (for America) but once this war turned into an actual WAR, with actual numbers of dead Amerifascists turining up every day, THEN the public loses stomach for it, as evidenced in recent polls showing a majority of Americans now realize it was a mistake to invade Iraq. Not because they realize unprovoked aggression is dead wrong, because I don’t know if Americans will ever realize that, but because it is starting to have a cost. Do you think the rest of the world doesn’t see this? America, you are a laughingstock.
And as for the “2Hotel9” brainless shitbag and his comments about millions killed in the Soviet Union, you are of such low intelligence that you don’t realize what it is saying about your country to have to compare it with other terrible regimes to make it appear “less evil”. Yeah, that’s really something to be proud of. Also, in a most immature way, “2Hotel9” doesn’t understand that bringing up another country’s atrocities does not in any way absolve or even mitigate the blame for America’s atrocities.
What we have is the world’s biggest superbully, America, that is so quick to jump on a country (like Iraq) that it thinks won’t fight back but shrinks from a real fight. Like every bully, America is at heart a COWARD. Face it and grow up, you nation of shit-for-brains childish assholes.

Try actually reading my comments if you have the balls, Likwidshoe, or do they just cut those off at birth since they are of no use to Americans?

"If I had a serious argument to make “ you said “then I wouldn’t resort to name calling”. Hmmm.... Who BEGAN the name calling? It was Likwidshoe with his calling me an asshole. I then proceeded to completely SHRED his sad, pathetic attempts to “prove” me wrong, and yes, I did include a little name calling in response as it is incredibly frustrating to try to explain things to overgrown children. If anyone has any balls whatsoever, please, by all means, read my comments. You will find valid points that you all are patently INCAPABLE of parrying. So the immature (American) response is to try to end the discussion as it undercuts your fragile brainwashing. Try actually THINKING FOR YOURSELVES!!

Yep. Whatever Joe. You’re right. Now you can leave and claim victory.

Bye.

American immaturity...asshole...if you have the balls...do they just cut those off at birth since they are of no use to Americans…

I haven’t gotten involved with this thread for this very reason.  If there was a serious discussion going on here, it might be worth the time… But if you had solid ground to stand on, you wouldn’t need to reduce yourselves to child-like name calling…

Likwidshoe was correct in ignoring you, and I shall too.

Another fine example of American immaturity. Notice you couldn’t disprove ANYTHING I said, so you do the typical American thing, run away.
That was the internet equivalent to putting your hands over your ears and going “la la la I can’t hear youâ€?. I have seen this SO many times, and it always is amusing. Thanks for agreeing with me, asshole.

Huh?  Nobody agreed with you.  Your hostile and ignorant tone negates any real conversation we could have.  That’s why I won’t pick apart your hateful diatribe.

Get a clue.

Another fine example of American immaturity.  Notice you couldn’t disprove ANYTHING I said, so you do the typical American thing, run away.
That was the internet equivalent to putting your hands over your ears and going “la la la I can’t hear you”. I have seen this SO many times, and it always is amusing. Thanks for agreeing with me, asshole.

Cool it Joe Natinno.

Oh THAT’s why… Really convenient.
You have NO arguments with which to “pick apart” what I am saying.
The truth is what it is. You can either try to grow up and face it or run away from the issue as you are doing. Either way, you are 100% incapable of “proving” me wrong.
Ignorant?
I’m not the one who thinks America is decent. Wake up.

Perhaps a great deal of the negative response to Ms. Gyllenhall’s comment is due to the fact that often discussion of 9/11 follows the schematic:

9/11 was terrible, and those people died terrible deaths, BUT.....

It is not the idea that we should “consider” the larger questions or implications - it is the suspicion that the horrors inflicted upon the innocent victims of 9/11 are dealt with as “Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, BUT...”

Since we are discussing the value of pondering deeper questions, perhaps everyone who had an emotional reaction to “innocent victims” above should reflect upon their own motivations in the gut reaction to discount the reality that simply going to work does not mean you should be subjected to being incinerated or have to chose to leap to your death.

Just a polite invitation for personal reflection.

Joey, I am not comparing America to anything. I am pointing out that your conspiracy theory crap is just that, crap. You need some serious help.